go through that experience over years and really decades, and you’re able to hold deep pain, like sit with your own deep pain for months for years and be with it and be okay with it. You can sit with other people’s pain and be completely okay, and allow them to be with their deep pain. But something powerful with that.

 

Manon Bolliger  05:06

And that’s not really what you were taught

 

Zahara Jade  05:09

to be taught that in grad school, right, but also, when you’re very young, when let me speak for myself. Yeah. As a young adult, in my early 20s, I was still psychologically manipulated and abused. And so, I couldn’t see my own patterns. I didn’t understand what had happened to me throughout my childhood. So I hadn’t healed my own abuse. And that really prevented me from doing the like I am lightyears ahead of where I was 20 years ago. And now I’m able to see other people’s patterns, I’m able to see where they’re stuck. I couldn’t do that kind of work back then. Ever. Yeah, yeah.

 

Manon Bolliger  05:57

Well, that’s why they say you have to heal the healer. Right, it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter what type of work you do. You know, to really connect, I think we have to be who we are.

 

Zahara Jade  06:14

Yeah, that we have to be who we are.

 

Manon Bolliger  06:21

So, let’s, well, let’s jump to the current traumas that are happening on all these levels, and any, any insights that you have, from your work your experience, I’m putting you on the spot, but life puts us on the spot. So

 

Zahara Jade  06:44

Well, one thing I can touch upon Dirk, during the pandemic, last year, I was speaking quite a bit about collective trauma. Yes, right. Like, a lot of people were sitting still. And they were just sitting with their themselves. And stuff they didn’t even know was a problem for them started surfacing, their individual trauma started coming up, and all of a sudden, they’re like, oh, this is my stuff. This is my crap. What do I do with it? How do you know what is this because what people don’t realize, like they’re, they’re different extremes of trauma, we use this word, you know, this, people are becoming more trauma informed. But trauma is really just the body’s reaction to an event that the body perceives the mind subconscious perceives as life threatening, right? So, when the fight or flight system slips into vision, right, it did dysregulation. Sometimes people are aware of it, sometimes they’re just completely unaware. And with collective trauma, a lot of people weren’t aware that they there was subtle energy circulating around the globe. But it might have been affecting them. Maybe they were more irritable, they were sleepless, be a little bit more agitated, angry. They didn’t realize that actually, like the pandemic, that on the whole was maybe affecting them, even though they weren’t directly in touch with people who are sick, or they were, you know, in whatever way like, collective trauma is sort of like this blanket that covers everything. And you are affected by it, regardless of your distance to the trouble.

 

Manon Bolliger  08:49

Yeah, yeah. No, I think that’s true. And, and there’s different parts of what we’ve witnessed in the last two years now. That are absolute trauma triggers.

 

Zahara Jade  09:05

Right, right. I mean, the pandemic is one piece of what you can call collective trauma. There are so many things coming up in society that are traumatic for a lot, everybody. Yeah,

 

Manon Bolliger  09:21

yeah. So how do you explain thinking of this as a good question,

 

Manon Bolliger  09:30

how do you explain

 

Manon Bolliger  09:33

people who don’t seem to understand or see other people’s traumas like that? They don’t see. They don’t see what’s seems to be going on. They’re so focused just on either in candidates doing the right thing, whatever that is. But that they are not sitting Seeing what’s actually happening to the fabric of our society to the freedom to choose what goes in your body or not, or the fact that people are losing their jobs that, you know, we’re on the verge here of losing our front line, I think it’s the same in the States, you know, workers, that so many people are being coalhurst. And, you know, and I can hear people speaking in lineups, you know, sort of going, Wow, good, good for them, they deserve it. And this complete disconnect. In humanity, right, and I

 

Zahara Jade  10:44

am, well, I think it’s really hard to generalize first. And I think that’s where, what you’re talking about is what’s happening, people are generalizing, and they’re jumping on this, like, train of wanting to, I was watching this documentary recently, just about the history of, I forget how it’s called. But the digital age has created these cultures of tribes where people are just fighting each other. And I stay I personally have, I’m very blessed, because the way I grew up, I was in a household where I had parents who were very political, and I wanted nothing to do with it. But I actually truly don’t want anything to do with it. And I lived in Asia for quite a while. And it was such a blessing. It’s, it’s quite shocking for me to live in the US now. Because

 

Manon Bolliger  11:47

it’s divided, divided divide on every front, right? It’s,

 

Zahara Jade  11:52

well, I was living in Asia before, this kind of got out of control. And now I live here, and, and I’m looking forward to spending more time outside of the US because people people’s vulnerabilities and traumas are being taken advantage of is what I see. And I you know, I also find that when people become so utterly focused externally, on issues that actually maybe are irrelevant, or have nothing to do with self love, and healing their inner wounds, right, that could actually bring them so much further, to become shining examples of who they truly want to be in life, that can actually send ripple effects into their community into the world. And like, I’m not just talking about community individuals, I’m talking about, like, you know, all the way up the chain. Couldn’t we create a better world that way? Mm hmm. Right.

 

Manon Bolliger  13:00

Yeah. I think it’s a it’s a it’s really, to me, it’s about how do you want to stand in all of this, this chaos, this divide? I think manipulation, at least from the powers that can control for example, media, so that there isn’t really free speech, you’ve got to look at like, Well, how do you get to you know, I can see in me what it triggers, you know, I could see, oh, I triggers. Like, I want to get to the bottom of it. What is the truth? Um, you know, and you will, I mean, I will go down that journey. But in the end, it’s, how am I being with all of this? And how am I, you know, how am I connecting with others? And, you know, am I? Am I full of fear? Or am I full of, do I see even hope or light, you know, these are all things that are? You’ve got to find it within? And then, you know, yes, we can create parallel realities or parallel societies, I suppose, you know, you surround yourself with, I think, I don’t know if it’s like-minded people, I think it’s more I don’t know what, what, there’s so many divides, and it’s hard to find the piece when you don’t really want to be in a division, but you know, it.

 

Zahara Jade  14:38

You know, it I love how you put that, you know, standing still in the middle of the chaos and I wasn’t actually recommending like we create alternative societies, but when I lived overseas, they’re, they’re just these beautiful, absolutely loving, excepting warming supportive communities of people. Well, and what you what you touched upon was the fear. And people are being, you know, taken advantage of and manipulated by their fear-based emotions. And it’s only those of us who are just awake enough to recognize that to just say, you know, no, thank you, you know, I’m going to do me, I’m going to focus on me. You know, and, and anything that’s not supportive of living in a way that’s aligned with how I feel best in the world. It’s just not energy that is necessary.

 

Manon Bolliger  15:51

Mm hmm. Yeah, so you think that the advantage of anyone who’s become conscious through their traumas, which is, to me, a big part of, and I don’t like the word awakening, because it just feels like a funny word to me. But I don’t know what else to say. But becoming I think it’s just becoming conscious, becoming aware, basically, of patterns of what’s happening of relationships, on all levels, whether it’s your relationship to nature, to yourself, to your partner’s, to your family, to all of that to society, I think. I think that’s the gift of this time, is, if you, if you haven’t had the ability yet to deal with the traumas that you may have, they will surface.

 

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Manon Bolliger  18:02

Yeah, now, you know and to notice that and, and just make friends with yourself. And just, you know, not fight this and just, you know, go ahead and go wow, okay, this is the time now, for me to focus on this to just go deeper on this and, and become exactly who you are. I mean, I love when I looked on your website, you’re very clear about the the path of being who we truly are as if that is absolutely who are meant to be. And then I’m thinking Well, who else could we have been? If that isn’t the path? It’s bound to be.

 

Zahara Jade  18:49

Yeah. But you know, people who have experienced trauma and abuse, most of them are just trapped in other people’s beliefs, right and other people’s patterns, and they actually don’t even realize it, because they realize it. Yeah. And then they get caught in other external beliefs and disinformation. Right. It just the pattern continues. Yeah.

 

Manon Bolliger  19:17

Yeah. It’s a big SIOP. Yeah, it really is. It’s an interesting yeah, it’s been Oh, anyway, if it wasn’t for the health piece of it all, I if I saw it as a you know, some people say it’s a psychological warfare and I’m like, I can see that you know, I understand that perspective of reality looking at it like that, but the the costs to our health not just from the fear. Yeah. You know, because we all know that if you’re in perpetual fear, your nervous system just doesn’t fire as it should. We’re in fight and flight on a rather continue Your basis, and everything that’s coming in is going to be judged or process through a heightened defense. positioning. Right. So, which is also the state in which you’re the most manipulatable. Right? It’s, it’s easy when you’re in that state, to do anything to get out of fear. And so, it’s a very compromising psychological state to be in on a perpetual basis, you know? So, it’s, it’s, um, anyway, okay, well, let’s go back to or I don’t know, do you have more to share on what people can do? Or what the type of work you do? Because you do somatic work? What do you incorporate that maybe you could share on this if people are either caught in this, but open enough to listen to a podcast like this? That could help.

 

Zahara Jade  21:07

So, the work that I do, typically, I work with people who are looking to heal, and a lot of times they don’t know that they’ve suffered trauma unnecessarily. I work with people who suffer from chronic illnesses, some of my clients have like, five to 10, different autoimmune diseases, things like that, or they have chronic pain, depression, anxiety, and addiction issues, I’ve worked with people who are on the edge of suicide, like pretty severe issues, I’ve had severe abuse throughout their lives, that kind of stuff. So it’s typically I mean, sometimes some of the stuff going on inciting might come up. But that’s not that’s not usually like my specialty or anything, inevitably, you know, might be mentioned. Um, and the work that I do is, we focus on helping them calm their systems regulate. And I give them a ton of resources to help them do that from both my clinical psych background, but also my somatic work, other tools that I have, and really the magic in my work, or my somatic journeys, which is my proprietary method that I’ve cultivated throughout all these decades. And that’s when I, I help them work with the mind and the body, and I take them inwards, and we find where the trauma is, and we heal it without getting into too many details, right? Yeah.

 

Manon Bolliger  22:40

So have you found that it’s necessary to know everything about the trauma, like, I’m going to give you an example, like in the body work that I do that I use for trauma, often people have no idea what happened. And then it’s as if the body holds the unconscious memories, right. And if the environment is safe, and the relationship is there, and you know, it doesn’t just like that, it takes a few things to be in place, but then it will come up. Either in images, which is how the subconscious tends to work or metaphors, if you stretch it out a little bit. Or sometimes just in a rush of a, of an emotion. Maybe you haven’t put a whole story to it. So, it’s sometimes very raw. Right? So yeah, and then sometimes even the voice changes to the age, or to the time like so. And this is all doing what looks like a basic silly work. I mean, you know, I call it silly, because it’s so easy and gentle. And, you know, but so at that point the body expresses. And so, my question to you is, so it’s got an expression, it’s come out, it’s come to light. What more has to happen in your mind? To release let go to move on. From there?

 

Zahara Jade  24:24

Truly, it depends on the client. It depends on the moment. And everybody’s different. It depends on and even with each client, it depends on where we are in the work. And it’s every single session is very intuitive where we go next.

 

Manon Bolliger  24:38

Yeah, yeah.

 

Zahara Jade  24:40

It depends on what set

 

Manon Bolliger  24:44

a way of, of letting people know a little bit more how this works. Of course, that’s not the right answer. It’s the truth.

 

Zahara Jade  24:52

That’s so real, right? Like, it’s so hard to describe to the clients because until you’re In the moment, you can’t possibly know what’s gonna come next. Because they you don’t know, like you said, they may not even know what trauma is there or they’ve forgotten.

 

Manon Bolliger  25:11

And, yeah. But do you feel that bringing to consciousness? What has happened is part of the journey or a necessary part of the journey? Or not necessarily.

 

Zahara Jade  25:33

I don’t try necessarily to do that the work that I do is all very dependent on where the client’s body takes them. So, whatever comes up is where we go. Right. And I trust and I’ve seen that they are guided where their subconscious is ready to take them.

 

Manon Bolliger  25:55

Right. Okay. So you might achieve the end result of them. Finding themselves again, and releasing all of that simply by continuing a somatic journey. Right? Yeah.

 

Zahara Jade  26:14

No matter how, how much is open, how much they remember, like, that’s not relevant, actually.

 

Manon Bolliger  26:21

Right. Okay. That’s what I was. I think you’ve answered it. I didn’t ask it quite in the way. That was the answer I was looking for. I mean, looking for to understand what you felt about that. So that they don’t have to know because that’s a question I get asked so many times. Do I need to know everything to heal? And no, you don’t?

 

Zahara Jade  26:44

Yeah, but a lot of clients are fearful. Right.

 

Manon Bolliger  26:46

But of course, they’re fearful. But also, I think there’s a misconception out there, that you, you will uncover all these, you know, horrible things. And, and I haven’t found that to be true. Some people do. And, but it’s, it’s as if the body shares only what it can handle. When it’s in the healing direction. Yeah. So as you concur with that experience, yeah. Interesting.

 

Zahara Jade  27:25

I see. Yeah. Yeah. Experience. Yeah.

 

Manon Bolliger  27:28

Yeah. So not to be afraid of the process.

 

Zahara Jade  27:34

If they are afraid, it’s more like working with that fear.

 

Manon Bolliger  27:37

Right. Yeah. Yeah. And your, your, because you mentioned you had all these chronic diseases, and

 

Zahara Jade  27:47

I have one, but I’ve worked with clients who have multiple,

 

Manon Bolliger  27:50

okay. Yeah. And are you? Are you through that journey yourself? Has your body come to terms with it? Or are and you don’t have to answer I’m asking very personal.

 

Zahara Jade  28:04

It’s, that’s such an interesting question. Right? Yeah. Yeah, it’s, I mean, I don’t know what that journey means or looks like, you know, um, what I can say is, it doesn’t affect me on a regular basis, I also have to still be very mindful and recognize and know my triggers I’ve learned in the past few years that actually exercise can be a trigger for my disease, which is not something I ever expected, and definitely really bummed me out. Because I used to love pretty high intensity workouts, whether it was high intensity yoga, or running or whatever it was. And I realized that that was causing flare ups with my disease. And, you know, the processes is about awareness and acceptance of what is, yeah. Yeah. And I think, you know, those are the hardest steps for people. And if I’m able to do those things, and then adjust and mediate appropriately, I couldn’t get better.

 

Manon Bolliger  29:15

But I think that’s exactly the point. It’s the awareness. And, and not coping, because coping is I don’t like the word it has this sort of small restrictive idea that nothing can ever change or go, which I don’t think that is the case because I have certainly seen so called chronic incurable diseases completely disappear with no apparent managing afterwards, because something else shift. So you know, I don’t see the limitations, inhaling. Personally, I don’t I and I also see that the awareness of When you’re dancing with your body’s symptomatology, and you’re aware of this is a trigger all that you’re in the healing dance there, you’re already you’re living it. Anyways.

 

Zahara Jade  30:19

You. Yeah.

 

Manon Bolliger  30:22

So then there’s no end result there. That is the moment that is the how that you’re in it. Right, you know. And so I think there’s a lot of, there’s a lot of comfort in that too, because we were in a society where we think, oh, you know, it’s the end goal. It’s always the end goal. And they say, wait a minute here.

 

Zahara Jade  30:42

Where’s my trophy?

 

Manon Bolliger  30:47

Yeah, yeah, that’s interesting. Well, we have, gosh, we’re almost there. I just feel I feel like we’ve gone a little bit everywhere. But that’s okay. That’s what conversations are right sometimes. Is there anything that you would like to share cover? on any level, that you believe that? Because my audience is practitioners, and also, I have public people that are just listening? Because I believe, too, that everyone needs to be fully conscious and informed of all kinds of therapies and what’s out there in the world and possibilities so that we don’t live in this limited world? Hmm,

 

Zahara Jade  31:33

that’s a great question. I need a good answer for that. No, no, that I have anything specific? Yeah. Yeah,

 

Manon Bolliger  31:55

yeah. So how can people find out more like about you? Or I didn’t get through all of your website? Do you have a book? Or do you have something that people can find out more if what you’re saying they just resonate with? And you’re, you have to be doing things on not online only right? It’s in person too, right?

 

Zahara Jade  32:18

Actually, I do work virtually. So, I work with my clients over zoom. And in early 2022, I’m not sure exactly what month I’ll be releasing a three-month course. Right? self-study course. And very soon after that, I’ll be releasing a group course. I’m really excited about those. Oh, that’s exciting. I’ve been working on those all years. So that’s exciting. Um, but anybody who’s interested in my work and to find out about me through my website, the truth catalyst.com or Instagram, at truth catalyst

 

Manon Bolliger  32:59

is a great name. Thank you. Okay, well, good. I look forward to finding out more when your course comes out. Because and I’d love to have a follow up when you actually launch it. Okay. Because my, my trajectory, so I was one on one then I, I stopped that. And, and I’ve been doing group coaching. And it’s if there’s something about the dynamic of a group that is significantly more powerful. And it honestly I’ve been one to one for 30 years, so I have a total bias for one to one. And and yet I’m I’m blown away at the the possibility and how we really work together as people. It’s incredible. It’s so beautiful to witness.

 

Zahara Jade  33:58

Wow, I if you if you’re open to it, I’d love to chat with you more about that some other time with you about that.

 

Manon Bolliger  34:06

Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much. Thank you for showing up on this show. And reaching the people that need to hear the message.

 

Zahara Jade  34:18

Thanks for having me.

 

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