Called to Heal: The Healers Café with Dr. Manon & Annie Boerner
Annie Boerner (20:30):
Initially I thought, Oh my gosh, I’m going to be like in a heap in the corner or something, you know, not able to function, but it wasn’t like that. It was very gentle. Another thing that I learned through that process, but also my years of practice was that the subconscious mind is so amazingly designed to really only allow things to come through when the right supports are in place and we’re ready. And so I did have the right supports in place , and even though I wasn’t really aware of it, and so when I reached out for help to the people that I was working with, and then it was, it was amazing to find out how much trauma is stored in the physical body and and what a great piece of the puzzle that was.
Annie Boerner (25:01):
I do have a theory I have no idea if it’s really accurate, but it feels like it is. So this is how I explain it to my client. from what I’ve observed and from the research that I’ve tried to find and read from every direction it appears that, our thoughts, our emotions, our spiritual self and our physical body, they’re, they’re all inextricably interwoven. You know, you can’t just separate your emotion from your body or you know anything else, you know, it’s all woven together and it appears that those parts of us all come together and touch each other through the nervous system in the physical body. If that’s actual fact, I don’t know, but that is what it appears to be. So that is the theory that I go with.
Dr Manon (29:39):
Because it was a traumatic in that sense, it’s trauma. Once we, we relaxed him, it’s like all the microcirculation was able to get to the joint and give the nourishment necessary and the lymphatic system was able to pull away the debris. Right? So, and that, that’s like structural, functional, you know, but when we talk about like deep seated disassociations yet stored in our body you know, it’s harder to understand it, you know, but it’s, I feel like it’s not a mechanism like circulation that changes how, and that’s how does it actually come to express, you know, like, yes, the nervous system parasympathetic,
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About Annie Boerner:
Annie Boerner is an Integrative Health Practitioner specializing in calming and rebalancing techniques of the whole person through the nervous system. Beginning her career as a neurological therapist, she then pursued licensing in bodywork and integrative therapies at the National University of Health Sciences in Lombard, IL and additional Bowen training in the UK and Switzerland.
Offering a sustainable approach to holistic health and wellness, Annie is known for her expertise in treating pain, anxiety, PTSD, and chronic illness. Having found answers to some significant health challenges for herself and her children, her daily mission is to help clients find answers to their health and wellness concerns that are affordable, empowering and sustainable. She is continually pursuing training and research to bring the most effective therapies and tools to her clients while focusing on practical support in the way of maintenance care, workshops and an open line of communication for questions and referrals to complementary practitioners.
Annie has been in practice in Nashville, TN since 2010 and is available for both in-office and virtual sessions, as well as speaking engagements, workshops and retreats.
Core purpose / passion : My mission to is help people find the solutions to their health and wellness needs that are affordable, empowering and sustainable. I LOVE helping people see themselves in a new light and find their genius, their power and the possibilities of joy and fulfillment in life that they might have lost sight of along the way.
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TRANSCRIPT
Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the healers, cafe conversations, elephant dealers ?
Dr Manon (00:13):
Today’s guest is Annie Boerner and I’m really thrilled to have a conversation with her on how everything began for her journey in healing.
Dr Manon (00:25):
All the gems that she has learned over the years she’s been in practice. So reading just a short bio, she’s an integrative health practitioner specializing, in calming and rebalancing techniques of the whole person through the nervous system, beginning her career as a neurological therapist. She then pursued licensing in bodywork and integrative therapies at the national university of health sciences in Lombard, Illinois. And additionally has received Bowen training also in the UK and Switzerland. And I understand that you have a specialty in treating pain, anxiety, PTSD, and chronic illness, et cetera. So welcome and, why don’t you jump right in. How did all this start for you? How did you know, did you wake up one day and realize…………….
Annie Boerner (01:24):
Thank you so much for having me. I’m really excited to be here. Well my journey began. I always had an interest in how the body worked and I was a professional dancer when I was in high school, college years, And so I thought I might want to become a sports med surgeon when my dancing career was over. I was very fascinated. I loved watching how the body moved and worked and everything. So that was always a fascination for me. And then eventually I got married and had my first child and he sustained a pharmaceutical brain injury. And so it was in my efforts to help him because it was such ,,,,,,,,,it was in 24 hours that we saw the effects and I knew, okay, he didn’t come this way, so I need to figure out what to do to help him get better.
Annie Boerner (02:19):
And so I just began researching like crazy. And it was through the years of finding different therapies for him and learning what was working that I began to see the nervous system is really key in how things were being carried out in the body. And so I began there and got into neurological therapy, got trained and began that. And then I started seeing how everything emotion and trauma and all of those things they stay in the body and that really attending to the body and the hands on work. Was that another crucial piece of the puzzle? And so it was very serendipitous. I ended up at a school where my clinician was a chiropractor who was just, I didn’t know it at the time, but, but she was just using rather they had high velocity manipulation of bones. She was actually using Bowen on her patients and he’s one of them. And I went from having low back injury for 20 years to it being gone and I didn’t have low back pain anymore. And so that began that journey. And and it’s been, it’s been a wild, wonderful ride ever since.
Dr Manon (03:44):
Wow. So, first it starts like, you know, it’s funny because a part of, you know, what I have come to realize of being in practice is that there’s usually somebody self identified, you know, that says it’s my, it’s my calling, it’s my responsibility or it’s, you know, I need to do this. And when you have a child, there’s no choice. It is your calling, right? Like, you know, what do you do in a case like that? So so yeah. So what I again, share what actually happened and how, like how did you know that, that there was something wrong? You know, like, because a lot of people don’t, you know, they don’t know, and then they see there GPS and they say, Oh no, no, this is normal. And it’s like, you know, it’s, you know, it’s not, but so help us sort of understand your process and your kind of awakening to something’s not right.
Annie Boerner (04:49):
It’s not right. Absolutely. So with my son, Tom, it was very clear because he was he was very bright eyed. And very talkative. So at 12 months of age, he had 80 to 100 words he had a vocabulary. So he couldn’t put words together, anything like that, but he could point and say what he knew. and his words were very clear. And so after his one year checkup and they gave vaccines in 24 hours, he went from being bright and everything was great to 24 hours later, he couldn’t speak. He would try to speak, he……. I mean that was all he could get out. And he was screaming and banging his head on the wall. And I mean, it was overnight. And so there was clearly something wrong.
Annie Boerner (05:48):
The doctors at the time were trying to say, Oh, he’s probably got ear infections or he’s got this or he’s having a headache or, you know and what I’ve learned later, and the reason that I refer to it as pharmaceutical brain injury is for a couple of reasons, because that’s truly what it was. He had too much. It was just too much. All at once. They gave me Pitocin for his labor and at the time I was just blindly trusting everything the doctors did. And so what I learned, and I found out in retrospect was that they had me on the highest amount they could give me and they left me on there for 14 hours. So both Tom and I were mercury poisoned by the time he was born from that. And then add to that, by the time he reached 12 months, he had been given 19 vaccinations as an infant.
Annie Boerner (06:47):
I mean, that’s insane. I don’t, I’m not sure an adult could sustain that in a healthy weight. And but that was, that was, he’s 22 now and that was, he was born in California and they had at the time they had accelerated the vaccine schedule. I think probably without a lot of testing up on that ahead of time, maybe, I don’t know. And so I don’t know that it’s the same now. I think more and more parents are informed and going, no, let’s spread this out. Let’s not do things the way we have been, you know, but I really believe that all of these things happen for a reason. And, and that it’s really been my mission to, to learn all these things so that I can help other people. so I began looking for answers.
Annie Boerner (07:34):
And initially it was just a lot of different therapies and things to help him to get better. And then I learned about energy medicine and bio detoxification, just using energy medicine and frequencies. And when we found that he was back to normal within five days, and it was without healing crisis, and it was just incredible. And I know at that moment, I mean, I went, when you see your child fall into an abyss and you get them back, you know, I like, okay, everyone deserves this. And I, it became my mission in that moment. I have to help other people and I don’t know how I’m going to do it, but I have to find out. And that was what sent me into school.
Dr Manon (08:21):
So, because you know, there’s a very different audience listening to this and, and you know, there’s energy medicine, sometimes, everything is energy medicine, you know, so important to define that.Let’s define it a little bit and then five days, you mean from the onset of his state? Like, or you discovered all this later or when, what’s the timeline and tell us like really, how
Annie Boerner (08:56):
We kind of went along and we did occupational therapy and speech therapy when he was two. And then we did that for a couple of years. At four he was prayed over and instantly got his speech back. And so, but he was still very much on the autism spectrum at that time, but he was able to talk but nothing else. Everything else was still like he, and he was able to, like, he is fully recovered now, so he was able to explain when he was older, what he was going through, he was experiencing hallucinations. Just his mind racing his body, his whole, all of his senses were really messed up, like the sound of the ceiling fan running, which you and I probably wouldn’t really hear was painful to him, but he could bang his head and have a goose egg and didn’t really feel that, you know, everything was sort of backwards and which is referred to a sensory integration dysfunction.
Annie Boerner (10:09):
So there were a lot of things that, occupational therapy was able to help. And so things got a little bit better and a little bit better. And then when I learned about the type of energy medicine I’m referring to is using frequencies. And basically there was some equipment, we would put your, your feet on this equipment and it would give your body, it would show your body the frequency of mercury, for example, or aluminum or something, some kind of a toxin. And then your body would be able to let it go. Like let the cells would go, Oh wait, okay. I know that shouldn’t be here. So the way that it was explained to me was that everything gets very overburdened in the body. And then your body just holding on to everything for dear life, even the things that it shouldn’t have.
Annie Boerner (11:02):
And so if you can communicate in that way through frequency, then the cells can actually let go they recognize it doesn’t….. The mercury doesn’t belong in there or the aluminum doesn’t belong in there. And let it go. And then, so it was a series of doing those sorts of treatments along with far infrared saunas and ionic foot baths and things like that. And it’s interesting because you hear things in online about, Oh, that’s a scam or that’s a scam. Well, I’m here to tell you, and I think using the frequencies prior to doing those sorts of exit strategies for the body or what made the huge difference because even his eye colour and his hair colour changed in five days. he has blue eyes and they had gotten very kind of dark and ashy and gray looking and his hair was sort of a golden Brown and then it had gotten ashy also. And by the end of the week it was back to the colour that it had been when he was a year old.
Dr Manon (12:10):
Did You think of taking pictures that mean it’s like it’s always later that you wish……
Annie Boerner (12:16):
I know I did well and it was funny because I was with him and I was actually going through that detoxification at the same time because I was very, I was a mess. I was probably just as bad off as him in certain ways. And I didn’t even recognize the hair colour changing and the eye colour changing. It was actually when we got back to Illinois. And we walked in and saw my mom with and my dad, with my two other kids. And the first thing out of my mom’s mouth was looking at his hair. Oh my God. You know, I was probably seeing the change gradually, so I wasn’t recognizing it straight away, but up to that point, he had only been able to monologue and by Wednesday, the third day of treatment, he could have a conversation and actually like listen for reply and then respond appropriately.
Annie Boerner (13:10):
And that was not something he’d been able to earlier that was really life changing. Beyond that, there were certainly other things that, you know, as time goes on and as I learned things I learned that I had been living with PTSD for probably 25 years and didn’t know it. And, and that’s a whole other thing. But when I learned that and started getting the help that I needed and, and really working toward reintegration of myself, I was able to actually identify in him trauma response that was really looping and creating other things going on in him. And so then that was where, you know,Bowen work was huge. I mean, that was just such an enormous piece of the puzzle to help as well. So it was, it was the combination, of all of these things together.
Annie Boerner (14:11):
And often we have to start with something and then, you know, like I was telling my patients that if it works, keep it. If it doesn’t change it. Right?, we have to be patient a little bit, you know, like let’s say you take supplements, you might not have an immediate condition unless it’s a screaming, you know, deficiency, it takes a bit of time. But so many of these therapies are really quick, and I know with a Bowen therapy it’s often like right there and then on the table, but certainly by the third visit you’re changed. You know, there’s no, it’s not like maybe they’re changed maybe a little bit. It’s like, no, no, no, this is, you know, absolutely clear. You know, so, and, and with homeopathy too, but before we go into the, the trauma when you were mentioning with the frequency, it made me think a bit about homeopathy. How and, and really like the idea behind vaccination is the idea of giving a little bit of the same to a reaction. Right? I mean, in fact the whole concept was started by a homeopath, right?
Dr Manon (15:37):
So the idea of, you know, inoculating is, you know, it sounds sound, I think when you call it pharmaceutical, you know toxicology or what was your exact term? I can’t remember. But yeah, it’s an overdose, mismanaged, you know, and you look at them, the amounts, like I was looking at how much Canada, how many how much we give children in Canada now compared to 10 years ago compared to 30 years ago, massively increased in the States. It’s five times as much. You look at other countries in Europe and it’s less than it is in Canada, you know, and it’s like,where is the, where’s the science? like there’s no way that our bodies are so different. Yes, we’re individual. You have to pay attention, but like, you know, T to make this a normative type of behaviour.
Dr Manon (16:42):
And then, you know, now like in California, we have like, people have no choice, right? They have to vaccinate. It’s mandatory it’s an interesting question. You know, that I have I’m not giving an opinion on health per se because in fact, in our profession, we’re not allowed to. So as a naturopathic physician, you know, we have to go with what our governing policy is on public safety. My question is, you know, let’s talk about this a little bit more. Let’s find out, you know, not like, you know, that it causes this or does that, like, it’s just like, why are there such massive differences and the idea of sciences, it’s based on, you don’t reproducible similar things and there’s nothing similar, you know. Anyway, I digress, but as far as the similarity, then it sounds like, and correct me or educate me further with this frequency. So it’s like the body recognizes a sameness?
Dr Manon (17:57):
which is the like cures like, I mean, it sounds like it’s very much.
Annie Boerner (18:02):
Absolutely. And I think that, you know, when we applying that, that same principle that Bowen applies to the body, which is, it’s not forceful. You’re simply presenting to the body and you’re allowing the body to have its process. So it’s safe and it’s and I find much more effective, you know, the different modalities that I, it’s, it’s funny I didn’t really understand that ahead of time, but in the end I ended up being drawn to just the few modalities that I work with. They are all the same in that respect. And I just, I just feel that that is where the best results happen. And the reason that we don’t, you know, if we’re going to force something there may be some kickback if the body’s trying to protect itself in another way. And so, but that, that is, you know we’re giving the body information to work with
Dr Manon (19:07):
So let, let’s jump then to your specialty anxiety, trauma, PTSD. Yeah. Tell us what you can from your perspective, your experience and you know, people who might have this also go, wow, there are other solutions out there, you know.
Annie Boerner (19:30):
Yes, absolutely. And I think and I’ll preface what I’m, what I’m going to talk about too with just reiterating what you said. I wholeheartedly agree. It really, it comes back to there isn’t one perfect modality that’s the fix for anything. it’s, I think it’s the combination of the things that, you know, everyone needs. And I have found that Bowen work tends to be the big missing piece for so many people that it just cannot be left out of the picture. But anyways, so i want you know what I, I went through something that when I was 19 that lasted a few days and I disassociated from the whole event. And so I just had no memory for a long, long time. What was interesting was after my first session of Bowen work, after receiving it for the first time, about three days later, I started having flashbacks of what happened.
Annie Boerner (20:30):
And and initially I thought, Oh my gosh, I’m going to be like in a heap in the corner or something, you know, not able to function, but it wasn’t like that. It was very gentle. Another thing that I learned through that process, but also my years of practice was that the subconscious mind is so amazingly designed to really only allow things to come through when the right supports are in place and we’re ready. And so I did have the right supports in place , and even though I wasn’t really aware of it, and so when I reached out for help to the people that I was working with, and then it was, it was amazing to find out how much trauma is stored in the physical body and and what a great piece of the puzzle that was.
Annie Boerner (21:23):
And I kind of, I kept being led to like, you know, different things, but certainly the Bowen. work was the big, it was huge in allowing my nervous system to find its way with being able to stay not stay, but get better and better at auto regulating and you know, staying in a better state overall. And and it was a process because there was a lot too. There was a lot to sift through. So it was a process over time and and finding counseling and things like that to help me really unpack everything emotionally and mentally as well as physically. And so that’s what I love helping people with. Now, one of the things that I see trending in my practice and what I hear people speaking about a lot is anxiety.
Annie Boerner (22:21):
And that basically I refer to that as being hijacked by your nervous system. And that, you know there are triggers that can be, you know, created in your, it’s your subconscious, its way of trying in your brain’s way of also, I mean those are two different things of trying to help you survive whatever the conflict was then, but also, you know, it, it, if it hits that, if you experience whatever a trigger might be, then the brain thinks you’re still re-experiencing this all over again even when you aren’t. And so being able to identify that and help people to see those things. I also did training to do EMDR which is movement desensitization, re balancing I think. Is that what that stands for right now? I’m on an interview, I’ll mess it up. But that has been a game changer for so many people. And it’s so simple and it’s quick and you don’t have to Remember whatever the event was. You don’t even have to know what it was and it’s so works. But that combined, again, it’s combining things with Bowen There’s other little things that I have learned to implement in the practice. But it’s, it’s the combination of all of that together that is really life changing with people.
Dr Manon (23:52):
So I’d be very curious because the work you’re doing is is very similar to, and my specialty was trauma as well. Which is very interesting. And I’m actually doing a TEDx talk on this very subject, right? So I I’m gonna put you on the spot, but I would love to know how would you explain and you know, you don’t have to do, you can do it scientifically. Hey, we explain to people who say you know, like you’re basically, it was in your body. You did not know it. You did Bowen therapy and other things at different points. So I’m, you know, I’m getting that but still the Bowen therapy brought it out. Gently it gave you what you could handle. Like that’s all things I’ve witnessed too. It’s just you never get what you can’t handle. And anyway, we can go into that. But how does that work? How does it happen? Do you have a theory of how that happens?
Annie Boerner (25:01):
I do have a theory I have no idea if it’s really accurate, but it feels like it is. So this is how I explain it to my client. from what I’ve observed and from the research that I’ve tried to find and read from every direction it appears that, our thoughts, our emotions, our spiritual self and our physical body, they’re, they’re all inextricably interwoven. You know, you can’t just separate your emotion from your body or you know anything else, you know, it’s all woven together and it appears that those parts of us all come together and touch each other through the nervous system in the physical body. If that’s actual fact, I don’t know, but that is what it appears to be. So that is the theory that I go with.
Annie Boerner (26:02):
And so the way that Bowen is working, you know, we’re giving this very gentle input to, you know, through to the body or to the nervous system through the body through the connective tissue. We’re, we’re communicating with movement with those receptors and their job is to, is to help deeply down tune and relax the nervous system, get it into that parasympathetic state where it can begin rebalancing. and we watch how, you know, clinically we see that the, all the different systems of the body are given that opportunity. You know, you can have a lymphatics, your lymphatic system can, can get a nice gentle flush in your, you know, your endocrine system has the opportunity…. All those different systems have the opportunity to rebalance. And of course our nervous system is only going to carry out what makes sense and is safe and is needed and all of that because we’re just kind of like presenting the body with information and allowing it.
Annie Boerner (27:08):
It’s process. But in that same way, when the physical body is being given that opportunity to rebalance. so is your emotional being in, your thoughts and your spirit of all of all those parts of you are getting that same opportunity. And and again, the subconscious, you know, we think of the mind and the brain and not everybody. I don’t, I don’t know that we always talk about those being two different things. You know, I see the mind as being very complex and amazing and, 90%, I think it’s widely accepted. 90% of the mind is subconscious. Only 10% is conscious. And then the brain is then communicating to the brain, which is sort of the hard drive, the computer, right? That’s carrying things out through the body. And so there’s certainly some, some deep programming in their survival mechanisms that are hard wired in that you know, so when we experienced certain things emotionally or in our thoughts or you know, in our environment that can trigger that survival response in the body. And so if it can go that way, it can also unwind the other direction as well, I think.
Dr Manon (28:27):
I do have done a fair amount of reading and, and I don’t think I’ve come across something that’s why that’s absolute why, but it is the interconnectivity and the fact that we do tell the body that the emergency is over and it’s the parasympathetic state that then that allows us to restore and repair, you know, and now that we understand that the fascia has all these, you know, free nerve endings, it, it is a super highway of communication. Right. So I, I feel like, you know, and like you said so well all the different organs now get to do what they’re supposed to do. You know, and I was just thinking this has nothing to do with trauma, but I was thinking of a patient who had osteoarthritis of the knee and it was incredible to see, you know, it’s like literally when he got into parasympathetic mode he had an associated anxt about this, right.
Dr Manon (29:39):
Because it was a traumatic in that sense, it’s trauma. Once we, we relaxed him, it’s like all the microcirculation was able to get to the joint and give the nourishment necessary and the lymphatic system was able to pull away the debris. Right? So, and that, that’s like structural, functional, you know, but when we talk about like deep seated disassociations yet stored in our body you know, it’s harder to understand it, you know, but it’s, I feel like it’s not a mechanism like circulation that changes how, and that’s how does it actually come to express, you know, like, yes, the nervous system parasympathetic, but why is it that I was born with the word why in my mouth, but it’s like, you know why? And I, it’s funny, I worked at for awhile with with the hypnotherapist, you know, in my clinic and and he says, Oh yeah, we work with the subconscious and, you know, we put you in a very relaxed state.
Dr Manon (31:03):
And we would, we would see, like clearly people would bring up things safely, that it felt it was the right time. And then we did experiments together.I did Bowen therapy, literally touching the body. And it was, it was like, yeah, you felt it was hypnotherapy on steroids, you know, like felt like, I shouldn’t be saying steroids cause I got my opinion on that too. But, but it’s more like how does the body so magically seemingly just release when it knows it’s safe or when it’s in, you know, it’s like I can only think it’s got to be that response, you know, like you said so clearly, you know, we’re in this fight, flight, fright, we’re in this survival mode and then we’re not anymore Right. And then it’s like, I don’t know, we’re programmed to heal.
Annie Boerner (32:01):
That’s all I can think of. Yeah and that’s another way that I explain to people who are unfamiliar with it. It’s, we’re removing burden and restriction. And when you do that, the body heals because that’s what it’s designed to do. Like it just heals. It’s just innate. You know, we just have to, we have to get the load off, so to speak. Yeah. And I do think that there is you know, a lot of pain and a lot of all of that is constricted energy flow in the body. Right?
Dr Manon (32:43):
So tell us like, Ione of your most exciting Bowen therapy cases. Something that just like shocked you!,
Annie Boerner (32:56):
Okay. The one that shocked me was a woman who came to me with back pain, low back pain and and that was actually more in her hip. It was she, you know, she did have some low back pain but it was more one hip that was always bothering her and she happened to be a type one diabetic. She had childhood onset diabetes and she was in her forties at the time that she came when she first came to see me. And and she was very good at taking care of herself and very diligent about keeping track of her blood sugar and her numbers. And she, she really monitored everything very carefully because she was aware that, you know, what the risk work or for her diagnosis and and things, you know, with that could happen if she didn’t take care of herself.
Annie Boerner (33:49):
So she was really great about that and very proactive and so anyway, I’m treating her for this, this hip and low back pain. And and she felt wonderful after the first session and she came back for the second session and she said, I just can’t even, Oh. And she had some neuropathy too on the top of one foot where she couldn’t even keep her foot under the covers in bed. She would have to have the foot on top of the covers because it just hurt to have anything touch. And so she came back the next week for her second session and she said, I can’t believe that. She said, that’s 90%. She said, my physical pain is 90% gone. And and she said, I’ve done everything and nothing has worked like this. And I said, well, that’s wonderful. You know, and I’m thinking, well, that’s what I was expecting.
Annie Boerner (34:43):
Okay, great. And she said, and by the way, she said, my blood sugar remained level the whole week. She said, that’s never happened before. And she said, does that to do with this? And i said it could be. And so, and because her, her pelvis was very out of balance and therefore, so were her cranial bones. And so that was something that, you know, we really paid attention to because as you know, and I’ll just say this for anybody unfamiliar maybe a little bit, so the eyes, the brain has to keep the eyes level at all costs. So, you know, if the pelvis goes out of alignment, then you know, the spine and everything else is going to make those little adjustments to, to make sure that we keep the eyes level and so on. So but part of the input that the pituitary gland needs is for those cranial bones to be properly aligned and for a certain amount of like a tapping that this one bone does on the pituitary gland. Trying to really……
Dr Manon (35:43):
It’s concise I think it’s really good to get this, you know, and why sometimes the structural impact can actually free a hormonal issues.
Annie Boerner (35:58):
Exactly. And I hadn’t offered this and so yeah, so she is, the pituitary gland is actually sitting in the sphenoid bone, which is behind the eyes. So as that leveled out everything, when things realigned for her, then all of a sudden she had the proper articulation of that spheroid bone. So then the pituitary gland was now getting the proper input. And it started, helped that whole, that’s sort of the master overseer of the endocrine system one of them. And so that was helping. So after her second session, she came back and said okay, pain is completely gone. And I had to, I had to call my doctor to decrease my insulin. She said, I’m 43, like I’ve been giving this up shots for years. She said, I don’t understand what is happening. And like he would love to talk to you.
Annie Boerner (36:57):
I said, sure. I would love to talk to him. And so I said, as long as you’re working closely with him, then do whatever you need to do, you know, in his care. And so after the third session, she she called me to tell me she was off insulin and, and he was, I’m sure in his busy-ness with his practice, he didn’t call me. So I never actually connected with her endocrinologist, but but yeah, that was shocking to me and I just thought, wow, I mean, certainly, you know, I’m not, and I’m telling this story and not suggesting that every case of diabetes could be fixed with Bowen. However, in her case it was very mechanical. It was a structural misalignment that was causing a huge problem for her hormone balance. And in particular her insulin production and regulations. I mean, you just never know. There’s so many things that we’ll meet again and we restore all of that. The proper alignment and fluid movement and all of those things that it’s, it’s amazing what the body can do.
Dr Manon (38:03):
And I, and I think, you know, you’ve said this, but I’m just pulling it out. It can, it’s, it’s structural, but it’s not as if Bowen therapy pushes things into place or massage or rubs, things, you know, into order or forces, you know, a muscle to do a thing that we believe it should be doing. Right. It’s, it, it unleashes everything. It allows the body to get back in order so that everything sits properly in the brain and basically and circulation right and nourishment and you know, so it’s, it’s really a profound working with the body, it’s, yeah, that’s a great a great story.
Annie Boerner (38:57):
Oh wow. Anyway, so this has been great. I could go on and on, but thank you so much for having me. Okay. Well I will have your details so people can get hold of you. And of course they can also get hold of you at, at Bowen college because you will be teaching in the States. So I really look forward to that, to getting this work out in a huge way because it’s really not known the way it should be, you know? I’ve met doctors and other people in allopathic medicine who were very against everything, which I understand that, you know, that’s what they’re learning. It’s where they’re coming from. It’s what they’re taught. I, I get it. But I’ve met so many in my area here in Nashville that are that are just so ready to team up with all of us in, you know, the alternative health practices and things. And so that’s been very encouraging. We’re definitely people joining forces.
Dr Manon (40:58):
Yeah. We’re, we’re definitely in a new re understanding of, you know, holism. You can’t, you can’t separate and divide, you know we need to work together because the body is together.