tell the work that you do. You are thought of as a little bit different and, and then the other way it felt safe to explore everything I’d either heard about or wanted to know more about and really experience it. And it’s always brought me such joy to be able to develop those natural talents and abilities that not only I have, but I believe everyone has and especially your intuition.

 

Manon Bolliger 04:57

Mm Hmm interesting. Yeah. It’s interesting that it brought safety. That was the word you chose.

 

Lesley Nase 05:06

It’s, yeah, well, I mean, safety was I think it’s twofold. I grew up at a time that you didn’t really talk about things that went bump in the night. So, if you saw a spirit in your room in the old house where I live, you didn’t necessarily talk about it.

 

Manon Bolliger 05:25

That’s fair enough.

 

Lesley Nase 05:26

If you woke up and this did happen to me, and as a child, I felt like a hollow bone. And I couldn’t figure this out, you know, what was that about? Those are all signs and symptoms of things. If you have other experiences where you walk into the church, and you’re watching, you’re not listening, perhaps to the words of the prayer, but you’re watching the energy. And the energy of prayers was fascinating as a child for me, that I got excited about that. But it wasn’t in that way, it wasn’t a safe place to really talk about it. And on the other hand, what the shamanic course in the shamanic world has done is given me safety, which I think a lot of people don’t feel in their own life, they don’t feel safe. If I open up into my intuitive, divine inner knowledge, what’s going to happen? How does knowing I have guardian angels, or the ability of psychic ability, let’s say? How does that change my life? And that’s pretty scary, because we all feel scared, stepping into the unknown. And yet in the shamanic world, there are a lot of times that I step into darkness, total darkness, and that total darkness, felt safe and comfortable. And I knew that all I had to ask was for the light. Show me the way. And that’s what I mean about safety.

 

Manon Bolliger 07:07

That’s actually you’re, you’re bringing up exactly the just position that often happens, right? When you’re starting something brand new, or it’s a brand new world, but there’s also the knowing part that is actually our safest place. It’s interesting. So okay, I’m gonna just jump to this because it’s top of my mind, what’s the biggest misconception that you’ve come across from people that have asked you to work with them about animal healing? And there could be three or four, like, you know, feel free to…I just want to see what do you know, because people have ideas about it?

 

Lesley Nase 07:58

They do. We all have preconceived notions, and animal communicators have been around for years and years and years, you know, from horse whispers, to pet psychics to everything. The biggest miscommunication, though, that I come across is that when I say that I work with pet people, or business people who are pet people, they think, and they tune in to that word, pet. That’s what I work with. Which is not true. They forget that people part. Because we live in a world as quantum physics will tell us that we’re entangled. When we live with other people, when we live with animals, when we live with the nature outside, that all plays into our own energy fields, and that entanglement is there. So, it’s kind of like, like finding the music and the rhythm to something. But quantum physics also tells us about mirror imaging. And this is what another part that people just don’t quite understand yet. Is that what’s going on with their pet is often being mirrored in them. I can’t tell you how many people I will say, uh, you know, I said, do you have stomach issues? Well, yeah, so does your pet. Are you feeling anxiety? Especially around leaving your pet? Yeah, I work from home now so that I don’t have to leave them. Or like, I set the rule that I’m only awake three hours, one client tells me. And part of that is that anxiety of leaving a beloved pet home by themselves. The anxiety in the person is often leaving the home and going out, but their anxiety is mirrored by their pet. And so, when you start to understand the relationship between the two, the healing is for both. So sometimes I have healing work that is just with the pet. And I’ll mention to the person who hasn’t thought about that aspect, how entangled they are with their pet, that perhaps you also need a healing session. And let’s get to the root of your imbalances of your health and wellness, and well-being. And so there those are the biggest misconceptions I would say that people have.

 

Manon Bolliger 10:44

Yeah, well, it’s funny, because even on the most superficial level, I had this as a child or whenever I saw them, what is it 101 Dalmatians? You see the owners walking like their pet, there’s so much and the pet looks like their owners, right. And even in couples, if they’ve been around each other long enough. There’s similarities.

 

Lesley Nase 11:14

Right?

 

Manon Bolliger 11:16

But I think it’s very interesting in when I worked at as a naturopath in homeopathy, I would you know, because I’m not a vet, and there’s all these regulations.

 

Lesley Nase 11:30

Right

 

Manon Bolliger 11:30

It’s probably much more regulated, but I couldn’t treat animals. So, they booked an appointment for themselves, but brought their animals. And that’s how I discovered like, there’s so much similarity.

 

Lesley Nase 11:48

Right

 

Manon Bolliger 11:49

It’s quite uncanny, anyway. So, I could see, it would really benefit. It depends on the connection, I think to you know, I don’t know.

 

Lesley Nase 11:58

Well, it doesn’t it doesn’t, you know, there are threads that that move through there. And some people I mean, that’s amazing that you’re talking about that they’d book for themselves and then bring their animal their pet along. Because so many people understand that there is something more than the allopathic medicine, you know, that they’ve always believed in. And don’t get me wrong, I love my vet, I think vets as any doctors have roles in this society, but I’m getting a lot of people who will get a diagnosis, and they want another opinion, because they’re not sure that that’s the right avenue to go down. And that’s what’s important that we have our own discernment that we can open up and say, maybe there is another way. When I do readings quite often, I will ask the person, are you just taking this pet to the vet, or telling them you know, you should go for a checkup and get some of these tests done. There’s always the acupuncturist, the chiropractor, the trainer, there are other professionals that I will get a hit on when I scan an animal’s body. And I feel the imbalance within the body and go a little deeper and say, hey, you know, this is what I’m feeling. So have that checked out.

 

Manon Bolliger 13:25

Yeah, no, I think it’s, in this case, it’s like you because of your knowledge, you can sense into what the what the pet, and the pet owner needs. But, you know, I also see that it’s owners of pets have also a sense, though they don’t know what to do with it that, you know, like, do I go for another biome? See, well, what are they gonna do with a further biopsy. See, like, the best they can do probably is give some form of chemo and it’s like, oh, well I don’t want to give chemo then maybe…then that’s it. So, then what do you do leave your pet? Or do you start going well, I wonder if there’s other ways of connecting.

 

Lesley Nase 14:17

Absolutely.

 

Manon Bolliger 14:18

Other insights into, you know, this dynamic and that’s the same movement that’s happening with this great awakening. People are questioning the, I don’t want to say science because I don’t have anything against science, but the science, the misuse of science. That aspect, I think it’s waking people up to realize that, wow, we can’t just get our information from this one source or, you know, it’s like we really took participants in this you know,

 

Lesley Nase 14:58

Right, I mean perfect point. I agree with what you’re saying. And it’s part of what I do in education with people is to help them connect and bond and communicate on a different level. And I start off with the kind of daily keys that the things that people need, you know, how do you…awareness, really looking around awareness and take you through exercising on that your perception, opening up your perception from that narrow view to go into a broader view, and then there’s your intuition. helping people understand how they can tap into their own intuition. One of the most common calls I will get is for an aging pet, or one that’s been diagnosed as terminally ill. And they want to know when it gets where they think it’s gonna get close to that time…

 

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Lesley Nase 16:37

Is my pet ready? Is my pet in pain? And am I doing everything I need to do? Is there something more that I can do by feeding the right food? Are they comfortable on their dog beds? Do they still want to go for a walk? Do they still want to be alive? And there’s a lot of questions in there. And so, helping them…the people get the tools of then again, how do you discern what’s right for you. Because your pet lots of times is just going to be looking with those puppy eyes, or that cat smile, or even a horse is going to put his head and nuzzle your head on your shoulder is here to help us. And it’s one of the reasons that pets come into the world. It’s in my experience, we take pets into our life. But before you even came here, you made the choices. I want to experience this, and I want to experience that. And a pet comes along and says I’m going to help you with that. And they’ve been helping for 1000s and 1000s of years since they became domestic animals.

 

Manon Bolliger 17:51

Hmm, interesting. Yeah. So, you feel that part of the journey of the pet is to help humans.

 

Lesley Nase 18:03

It is very much so and you just…you know, our hearts open up. When we look at newborn kittens, puppies, when we see foals running around, that is part of beauty of life. And when we see that and open up and we get all excited our vibrations raise our energy raises. And when you have those times that we all do that we’re down, were depressed. Something didn’t go right that day. Our pets have a tendency to come closer and closer into our energy field and to help us and what do we do? We reach out and we bring them close to our hearts and heart to heart. Cats have purring energy, their purrs are healing. I have patients who just listen. They’ve been long term with a diagnosis one man in particular. And that’s what he listens to his cat purrs he can no longer have that cat in his life. So, he listens to the purrs and goes to sleep and really gets a good night’s sleep listening to that vibration. And it’s the same with a dog. You know, the dog is loving you and I feel my body going like this because it’s like wagging their whole tail their whole body. They’re just so excited to see you no matter what else happened in the world. They’re right here for you. Their attention is on you unconditionally. That love door is open. As my girlfriend will say I like having little love bombs that go out into the world and fill people’s life’s up you know and that’s the reason she has dogs in her world so she can create love puppies, as she calls them.

 

Manon Bolliger 20:01

Yeah. Yeah, cuz I know in in, like physical healing you know with pain often they know exactly where to lay.

 

Lesley Nase 20:12

Right.

 

Manon Bolliger 20:13

You know so it’s an interesting yeah, I just hadn’t seen it from the concept that they’re there to help us. So, what has been the most…I don’t know eye opening or yeah, maybe one of the biggest experiences either as a as a death doula or as any of your multitude of hats or shaman healer like what? What have you learned? Or that you want to share that…you know, usually it’s something that surprises you a little bit because otherwise you wouldn’t notice it equally to everything else.

 

Lesley Nase 20:54

Right. Right. It used to belong on the board of a local animal center. And at that time, the shelter itself was old, and they kept mother cats and kittens as far as way as they could from the rest of the population. But disease and unwell was not great for the population of motherless cats or mother cats and kittens. So, with the donations, we built a little maternity ward, as I would call it, it was a little shed with cages in and it was only for kittens. The kittens who are motherless most of time came in the house with me and I helped them through their early years and got very good at it. The other cats who came and either were pregnant and would have their babies there and then raise them and go at the right time back to the shelter for their forever homes. But the motherless kittens, as I said, they’re the challenge when you have kittens or puppies, or any animal that is a newborn and maybe a day or two old and then they lose their mother for whatever reason. Whether it’s human or whether it’s nature. It’s very hard to raise those animals to a point where they’re self-sufficient. And I remember when I was in part of my shamanic training, I had these six beautiful motherless kittens, and they were extremely tiny. And they were doing well. They were…I had another cat I would call…we called him Uncle Squirty Poo Pie was his name. He’s like a whole story in himself, but he loved the motherless kittens, and he would come and wash them from nose to tail and he would help me with these kittens. But these, this particular litter of kittens, really were starting to thrive until they didn’t. And one by one, I held them in my hands as they passed away. And I was in tears. I just couldn’t understand. Why did they come to me and then pass on? And it just so happened, you know, there’s no coincidence or anything. I had the shaman that I was working with, gave me a call. And he said what’s wrong? And I was like, in sobs, I said, I’m losing. I’ve lost these kittens, all of them. Why did they come to me and die? And he just very quietly sat back. I say sat back I couldn’t see him on the phone at that time. But he just went, why wouldn’t they come to you and die. You hold such a loving, compassionate space. And in that time that they were with you, their life was so full to overflowing. And you’ve learned how to hold that space not only for them, but for others. And turning that picture around made the difference for me when I work with people who were getting ready to pass and do shamanic journey work, especially people who might be in a coma who are hanging on for a while. I help them with the resolution, but also with animals who are getting ready to pass knowing that I can hold that loving compassionate space for them to transition from one life to the other. And I know that life is eternal. Just because a soul passes from this life to another doesn’t mean they aren’t still with you. And so that was a, that was a huge aha moment for me. How did I was very this is now my, my other part of the brain goes is there an explanation why they would each die? Absolutely there is there is

 

Manon Bolliger 25:23

I have to pull from your story because it’s quiet, it’s quite incredible. But um, yeah, so what was it?

 

Lesley Nase 25:29

Well, it’s sad it happens to human animals as well as you know, it’s the Fading Infant Syndrome. So, it’s the fading cat syndrome or fading puppy syndrome. You know, and that’s the same of any mammal who doesn’t have that mother love and comfort that she’d be with them for 24/7. That they’re missing that bond and that connection until they get to be an older age and independent of themselves. So as one starts to fade away, the chances are the others are going to pick up on that same energy and start to say, okay, we’re going to we’re going to leave to and as you dwindle in numbers, of course, it’s harder for…it’s not impossible. And I’ve had where we had a kitten who ended up living with us called Peanutty. And that’s what happened to the rest of his family is they had passed, but him. And so, he said, no, I like it here. I like these people. I like Uncle Squirty I’m gonna stay. And he did very much did.

 

Manon Bolliger 26:41

Yeah. And so, these would have been how old? The kittens? How long were they with you before they passed?

 

Lesley Nase 26:54

Oh, they were only days old when they came. So, I would say within a week and a week a half. That’s when things really you know, it’s the shock is over. They’re being fed they’re being cared for. And once that shock kind of wears off, then it’s like the realization there is the pull between one life and another that happens. It’s the veil of the curtain. And whether you decide the choice to step through it as Peanutty did and say, No I’m going to live this life here, or whether you decide that no, I’m going back to source, and I’ll come back another time. That’s part of life. That’s part of the cycle.

 

Manon Bolliger 27:50

Oh, my goodness, our time is has gone by so. But I was gonna say do you have any words of wisdom or anything you would like to sort of end in the next three, four minutes just to give your heart to this community,

 

Lesley Nase 28:15

I will tell you that even some of your darkest days whether you share your life with a pet, or whether you just have a place in nature that fills your heart with beauty. When it’s hard for you to take a step or take a breath. Start appreciating start being in gratitude. And envision in your mind, imagine that pet space, that person space, that place in beauty that really fills you up. And then you can start to breathe, you can lower down your shoulders. But the more breath that you can get in the more you can move forward. Then you’re actually going to start moving forward in life and just take that time to go wow. What was it about that situation that I needed to go through? And once you take a look at it and decide nope, that’s no longer true for me, I’m not going to do that anymore. Your world starts to change because you looked at the world in a different way. And you’ll open up to more coming your way.

 

Manon Bolliger 29:28

Great. Well, thank you very much for sharing your wisdom and your passion for this work.

 

Lesley Nase 29:40

Thank you It’s my honor and my pleasure to be with you today.

 

Manon Bolliger 29:45

Thank you

 

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