How to Heal the Whole Self Not Just One Part with Dr Egypt Iredia on The Healers Café with Manon Bolliger

lightbulb moment that like oh my gosh, like food and environment and lifestyle and sleep and hydration and all those really core natural practices can provide powerful healing. So long story short, that pushed me to explore naturopathic medicine and learn more about her herbs and things like that. And I then moved to, well I moved to New Zealand, where I did practice conventional medicine, but I also did herbalism. I studied herbalism there. And going on from that I became exposed to naturopathic medicine and applied to the United States to do program, a doctorate in the Midwest, and get qualified as a naturopathic physician and I’ve just stayed on since then doing what I do now.

 

Manon Bolliger 04:34

Hmm, interesting. Yeah, it’s…you know, it’s funny because I’m, well, I was a naturopathic doctor for 30 years. We, in Canada, it’s a little bit different. We don’t have a true choice to put in our bodies what we want or what we don’t want. So, sometimes you have to make decisions, you know, is this the…is the belief that you fundamentally have about health and healing, so fundamental that you’re willing to give up your profession? You know, and many, many, many of us are in this boat, you know, and it’s a, it’s a very interesting time, you know, and I’ve…it’s caused me to question. Just like you were questioning. Well, we’re just doing the side effects of synthetic drugs with other things. And then I started thinking, you know, well, what are we doing in naturopathic medicine? And so, I’m curious, your position on this, I’m sure it’s natural, but are we not using a very allopathic way of looking at the person? You know, we’re using non synthetic, so called, therefore natural, like oil of wintergreen instead of, you know, aspirin or whatever. But are we not playing God? Trying to understand the physiology, thinking that we’re primarily a biological body. And that’s all there is to us when there is so much more to what makes people sick? And to what makes them better? So, your thoughts?

 

Dr Iredia Egypt 06:45

Oh, yes. No, wonderful. I think, you know, she’s speaking my language for sure. I think, I guess, because from an earlier age, I kind of, you know, explored philosophy and Western mysticism, and I explored Eastern spirituality. So, I guess I’ve always had more of a bit of an eclectic, holistic with a W look at the body that I didn’t…personally, I didn’t resonate with this notion of the body just being this physical vessel that we primarily addressed through a very biomechanical approach. I’ve always seen the body as much more. So, it’s interesting, just you sharing your thoughts like that, because even when I did come to naturopathic school, and it was wonderful, you know, we were learning nature based healing tools, like the herbs and lifestyles and different detoxification protocols and things like that. But I found that even just coming from allopathic training, to naturopathic, I almost found like there was this big leaning towards green, allopathy, that’s what I call it.

 

Manon Bolliger 08:01

Yeah. Sort of use to.

 

Dr Iredia Egypt 08:04

It’s essentially allopathic, a very allopathic practice mindset. But we just use natural tools like essential oils and supplements and cuticles and things like that. So still very buyer mechanistic, sort of based on just the body as a physical object. So, I think that was why my own kind of life and professional training like even though I am naturopathic physician, I’m a Holistic medical doctor. I really, I guess that’s more for communication purposes, with clients with different other professionals and colleagues. Because personally, I see myself more as a healing guide that uses different tools that addresses multiple aspects of the body, and also of the environment, because our environments are very powerful sort of agents that we interact with that can play a huge role in our healing. So, I did even within the naturopathic model, it was like that module for me was not sufficient. That’s why down the line, I kind of came up with my own module that incorporated these different aspects that looked at different aspects of the body as a whole.

 

Manon Bolliger 09:18

Hmm, yeah, it makes…I mean, it makes complete sense to me. Yeah. Yeah. And it’s interesting because, you know, naturopathy is, in a way it’s seen as a complementary medicine. But it’s, it is an alternative way of achieving a similar goal. We but we have so many tools as well, right. Like, you know, when I chose to go either into medical school or into naturopathy, I thought, well, I’m going to do naturopathy because at least we have many solutions. You know, I can learn Chinese medicine, I can use, do body work, I can do nutrition, you know, homeopathy, there’s different things that are available that, are ways of looking at, at the whole. And whether it’s balancing or incorporating more like in homeopathy, which is one of my favorite aspects because it takes the mental, emotional, everything structural, physical, all of those components, you know, which is kind of interesting for something that’s like 200 years old. That it’s so well versed in a true holistic methodology. And yet, in the way that because I used to teach homeopathy at my department at naturopathic school, it’s become more and more cookbook, it’s become allopathic, it’s become, you take this for that, and it’s not for who you are, and the whole of you and your expression. It’s almost like it’s missed the boat entirely. You know, so I wonder just like we see with Chinese medicine, that’s being co-opted, you know, by, oh, we’re just gonna circle the dragon, and just the pain points, and we’re not gonna do traditional Chinese medicine, we’re not looking at everything. You know, we’re…and even with nutrition, we’ve done the same thing. You know, it’s like, take these supplements, because this is what your body’s missing. Well, wait a minute here. Is it missing? Is it really like a substrate? We don’t have? Or are we not assimilating because of a complex?

 

Dr Iredia Egypt 10:52

Yes

 

Manon Bolliger 11:13

You know, set of factors in our environment, for example, but that could impact us, right. So yeah, I think we are definitely moving to something beyond this. And I would like you to speak about what you call deep healing. What is that? What is that to you?

 

Dr Iredia Egypt 12:27

Great. So, for me, deep healing would be the antithesis of the sort of reductionistic based healing medical paradigms that are pre more or less widespread within the allopathic medical system, and unfortunately, is eating food, you know, healing philosophies, like naturopathy for the traditional Chinese medicine as practiced in the West. So deep healing is healing that really addresses all aspects of the human body and all aspects of their healing environment. It’s healing that really acknowledges that humans are beyond our body like for a being a human being where our minds our mental, our physical, psychological, and our soul and our heart I kind of split soul and heart separately, even though really all these different bodies or beings are, you know, all coexistence in one singular entity. But I really feel that when we approach healing with this sort of lens that like for example, when I’m working with somebody, this person, it’s not just their physical that I have to like just console you have I don’t know, menstrual imbalance or something PMS and I just focus on your reproductive system. But really seen that person and looking at their what emotional things could be affecting them being hormonal imbalance, or physical things might be off or might need tonifying or nourishing, you know what emotional things have to be in place to release more healing energy, lifeforce, chi, prana, within that person, what ways can they optimize their environment that can again, foster this deeper states of healing? There’s just so many things to healing I think like, you know, the word the phrase you use early, like missing the boat, we can totally ask practitioners, even very experienced practitioners, totally see a person as this like, Oh, let me just focus or zoom in on this body system or organ system even worse, right? And like, just like, throw a bunch of events or essential oils or nutritional protocols or what have you and focus just on that. And I often find that like, you alluded to the fact that we have many tools, I think, divinity whatever anyone believes that nature has gifted us with so many tools for healing, even beyond the supplements and the food. There’s like light, there’s space and stillness and music and sound and crystals and air, there’s just so many things, you know, that can really foster and enhance healing energy. So, I see deep healing like that it’s healing. It’s not just because in naturopathies, I’m sure you’re aware, we talk of like root cause medicine and get into the root cause. But it’s even healing beyond the root cause it’s sometimes it’s not a singular, one thing is causing a pathology, it’s like, a few things are not working in harmony or out of balance. And then when we just have a new real deep level, mind, body, spirit, heart, soul and environment, I find that healing just occurs naturally from that.

 

Manon Bolliger 15:56

Yeah, well, I think we’re on the same page. Yeah, and I think it’s interesting, you raised the point about the root cause, because that’s very much the way that at least in the training, we need to find the root cause as if we are not multi-dimensional beings, you know, as if there’s only one cause. And one field. It’s like, hmm, interesting. Yeah, so what I mean, one of the things that, that I’ve been working on a lot in the last year and a half, which is what got me into a lot of trouble as well. But it was, informed consent, and being the importance of a really honest relationship between, you know, a doctor and a patient. And, I’ve talked to many of my colleagues and also many different types of practitioners and physicians out there. And, you know, I find it, I found it interesting to see now that the CDC has released things, and the FDA has released things, and that we realize, on some deep level that there’s been tremendous cover up, tremendous fraud, lying, literally lying to people. And we look at doctors who say, well, you know, I’m not, I’m not able to really do the research. I just take the word from the CDC or the FDA. Right, and like, how deep is the responsibility of the patient? And you could say, the same end of the practitioner, you know, how deep do we go with, when there’s this level of corruption?

 

Dr Iredia Egypt 18:21

Yes, I know, that’s an interesting one. I mean, and it was some of these sort of issues that you raised, it really got me questioning a lot of, you know, like, even my own personal practice in the things that I learned in school. You know, a big part of me, I guess, moving away from just conventional practice was doing research and just to see that, essentially, you know, big pharma, big medicines, essentially, their businesses and their corporations, and they’re very fiscally driven. And once you have like, the money, situation and equation, there’s a lot of conflict of interest. And you know, even from right when I was medical students, we would have like, pharmaceutical companies come in and would like, you know, give us lunches or give us laptops and give us this and then talk about their medication. So, like, how could people be 100% objective or when they have been essentially bribed when they become doctors, they would prescribe your medication. So, it’s really a very, almost like messy, murky domain that we as practitioners have to try to, you know, swim through. I feel like you know, different people approach their, I guess, their healing calling differently. Some people see it as a call and some people just see it as a job. Yeah, some people just see it as a way of making money. For me, essentially, I identify as multi passionate, so I think I have more than one calling, but being a healing guide is for me a big deal. Like I think like people are coming to me and asking for guidance and information about sometimes life threatening situations. I think I have a degree of responsibility to do at least responsible research. We live in a time that there is so much corruption there is so much cover up, there is so much lie, there is so much coercion. We just can’t even take things based on scientific papers anymore. We have to like dig beyond the site papers, and we have to speak to colleagues, and we have to use I think, just apply some common sense even.

 

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Manon Bolliger 21:39

Yeah, common sense that was missing?

 

Dr Iredia Egypt 21:45

Like we do have that responsibility just to like do our own research so that we are able to pass on, really, I would say, at least neutral information to our clients or patients so they can truly make an informed consent. Because how can someone make a truly informed consent when the information, they’re basing it on is false in the first place? You know.

 

Manon Bolliger 22:07

Or the premises are, you know, like the way that natural immunity was, has been looked at. I mean, that’s the first time that I’m aware of in history, where natural immunity didn’t seem to matter. And it’s like, why is that the case? And so, I mean, I think there were many hints available for anyone with a bit of critical, you know, thought going, hmm why are they doing this? Or why did they change the definition of pandemic? Or why did you know that you can definitely if you’re a white person, there were lots of reasons to ask the question. But I do find it maybe it’s my own light naivete is possible, Because I’ve been now digging deeper and looking at, you know, the HIV, you know, situation before and Mr. Foshee, and it’s like, okay, you know, there’s a lot going on here where, you know, there were, again, there was a similar situation where there was, you know, drugs available that could help but no, they didn’t do the full scientific, double blind, whatever, which they didn’t do this time for a completely experimental technology. Yet, you know, drugs that have been around 40 or 60 years, like ivermectin, or hydro chloroquine, you know, they poo pooed. And the literally stopped the usage not in every country, thank God. I mean, there were places like Mexico that gave it out El Salvador that gave it to every single person. You know, there were definitely countries that were less infiltrated by the pharmaceutical companies and the gains. And then I think there were some places in Africa, unfortunately, they lost their leaders.

 

Dr Iredia Egypt 24:15

In Tanzania.

 

Manon Bolliger 24:16

You know, that in Tanzania, exactly, you know, so I don’t think everyone is corrupt at all. I think it’s that it’s, for me, it was the first time to see papers, scientific papers without disclosing the conflict of interests. And, you know, and just thinking that that’s okay. And then retracting them afterwards, when it would never have been worthy as a research, you know, and things like that. So, you have, you know, who has time to do all this work? You know, and it’s so difficult because I think now that this information is hard to keep quiet, there are so many patients that are feeling betrayed, you know, because they trusted their doctors or their nurse, or they trusted the system in general, you know, and now they’re finding out that it can’t be trusted.

 

Dr Iredia Egypt 25:27

Yes. And then fortunately, like some people have already like gone to the point beyond in that they have taken certain experimental technology now they find in all, like, oh, the full safety data is not out of it, or I was told it was safe. And now like I find out, it’s not Oh, my God, what do I do? It is such murky, tricky waters, and I’m a big one for like sovereignty, for sovereignty in everything we do in our life, mental sovereignty bodily sovereignty, you know, health sovereignty. And how I see when I work with people is like, you know, your, your practitioners, your healers, your, your doctors, you know, nurses, whatever they you should see them as, almost like members of your team, at least they should be members of your team, supporting you in your wellness journey, but you shouldn’t just completely sort of, you know, lose your agency to that. You have to have a sense of agency and a sense of holding on to your sovereignty or you being a sovereign being. And when you go through life with this presence of a sovereign being, you’re more apt to want to dig in deeper to certain things, to question things to do your own research to get second or even triple opinion, if you have access to that not just take all because it comes from the CDC, and the FDA, it must be true. How I say that these are essentially organizations that were you know, I don’t know, like, countries or Board of Governors, or what have you came together and made them up, you know. They’re still human beings, and then hopefully, like, you know, they’re still human beings like yourself, and you can’t necessarily take everything they say, as a fact. And the more when you do go down that rabbit hole, and you start to research and you mentioned, like the conflict of interest, the, you know, even things like evidence based medicine, I’ll be honest, that was something that I got a rude awakening about what evidence based medicine actually meant probably about, I don’t know, probably, like, almost 20 years ago, when I got I learned about the notions of ghostwriting, within the medical system. Where certain research would be done, you know, completed up to paper publication stage, and then they would pay like different pharmaceutical companies would pay, you know, say like, a top doctor in neurology, whatever they would give them a sum of money literally just put their name on the paper, but they were not involved in the research at all. They were just being paid to put their name on it. And then, you know, you’d have like nurses, medics, physician’s assistants, all manner of scientists would be reading those papers and say, this is evidence based medicine with the assumption that everybody’s name that was on that paper actively was involved in the research, which is not the case. So, when I found issues, I mean, I had a friend who was approached to be one of these ghost professors in a research paper. And I was like this is because naively, when I went into medical school, and I would read a paper, I would like, oh, everybody in that paper did the research fine. So, there is just such murky waters. We just live in such a corrupt, dysfunctional age, I think, if we don’t hold on to our sovereignty, and that spirit of questioning and curiosity, and just you know, yeah, holding on to your freedom as best you can otherwise, you know, before you know, you will get yourself into trouble in the sense that your health could be threatened the health of your loved ones, families could be threatened because you just didn’t take the time to actually dig deeper.

 

Manon Bolliger 29:20

Yeah, and I mean, you know, as much as it’s a…I mean, it’s an extremely sad catastrophe, to already know, how many millions of lives could have been saved. Have they allowed other therapies to be used? We’re not even at the beginning of seeing the horrific impact that these unknown, you know, to most of us, therapies will have in our bodies. You know, we’re seeing already, you know, miscarriages and fertility, cardio, you know, all types of cardiomyopathies. So, we’re already seeing things, but we haven’t seen the end of it. We haven’t seen what having a deep lack of a proper immune system, the impact it’ll have on fighting cancer on autoimmune diseases on any infectious disease. So we’re really at the beginning of seeing something that is horrific to actually have to experience and witness and know that, you know, we have friends, we have family members, we have colleagues, we have so many people who have who have…yeah, who didn’t take as much time or had more faith are, you know, in the system,. But at the same time, what I see is so many people really taking back their sovereignty and making major changes in their lives. So, you know, there’s, there’s a very big good, that’s also coming out of this horrible situation.

 

Dr Iredia Egypt 31:18

Yes. No, I agree. You know, I think for some people, even just like, you know, with the lockdowns, and with time away from work, or some people were actually laid off work, not just time away from work, it gave, you know, there was a lot of positive and then it gave people, I guess, just the space and time. Yeah, it just gave people the space and time to question a lot of things or to have time to maybe do their own research or, you know, ask other professionals and so there is good in it and I really, I’m an optimist. Sometimes that’s the only way to just survive through life. And I think in the long run, humanity will be better for this experience in the long run, but it’s just, there’s, you know, unfortunately, just a lot of lives have been lost, or a lot of people are going to be left with, you know, permanent or chronic, or really just severe health complications due to the fact that their immune systems by different sort of interventions or lack of that has been going on have been compromised. It’s like, it’s funny, because they say, like, we’re being faced with apparently, and sort of a pandemic that is compromising the immune system or what have you. But, you know, when I hear in terms of like the health discussions, it’s not so much about optimizing immune health, there’s no talk about ways that we can optimize immune health and you know, we can really make natural immunity work for us, it’s more just about interventions that ultimately compromise your natural immunity in the long run. It’s just it’s such a twisted way of seeing things like our natural immunity, regardless of whatever we’ve been faced with has gotten us this far as human beings, like I say to people, sometimes, we have never lived in sterile environments. This notion of sterility is a very artificial one. It’s like sterility maybe if you’re going for a surgery or something, they tried to make it as close to sterile as possible. But in the natural world, everyday communal living, you don’t have sterility, you know, it’s a very unnatural situation, our immune systems always been primed, always been challenged. That’s how we’ve co evolved with other microbes in our microbiomes in nature. So natural immunity and fostering that, for me would have been like the focus of this whole situation. It’s been a non-issue. So, I’m like, I don’t know, to me, I mean, I’m not a biochemical, PhD professor, or whatever. But I have a little bit of basic science to understand how it works.

 

Manon Bolliger 34:03

No, I mean, it, but it’s also, you know, what you raised before, it’s common sense. So, I think that’s also something that’s been, you know, pulled away from, whether it’s, you know, mass psychosis, or I know, there’s lots of explanations. Certainly, there was an enormous amount of money is put forth to study how to convince such a large part of the population. So, then there’s no one’s hiding that, you know, many of the prominent universities received massive funds to do the advertising but to do this study of what’s the mindset what are the emotions of guilt and this and that. And things like you know, caring for others, you know, being exploited, you know, you won’t see your grandma until you take this or, you know, or vice versa, you know, like, if you think about if it was on face value of something good, you would not need to spend this much money to convince people to take something. And I think, you know, how that overrode common sense, you know, that’s a whole other area of study that I, I started but everything is it’s a whole direction of it on its own, you know. But yeah, so I also, you know, I think of all these people who are, I don’t like the word waking up, but they’re waking up to the reality that they’ve been betrayed. And from a healing perspective, betrayal it is, I found, sometimes one of the hardest things to overcome, it’s a complicated emotion. And I feel like, there’s room for I mean, there may be new technologies, there may be new ways of connecting on this, but I don’t…I’ve never been one to believe that there’s no way of helping, I think there is, there is ways of helping. And taking a bigger picture, especially like you were saying earlier, like a holistic view, I think is key in this next phase, for those who want I mean, there’s some that will, you know, take their fourth, fifth sixth booster and be happy. They’re not asking for help. You know I mean, I believe everyone has their path and who are we to judge, you know, how it should be. But I’m thinking more of the people who realize or who literally got coerced to keep their job or to keep positions. Where it’s like, it’s not a fair thing to tell people, it’s either your job, you know, or are you can’t work like, I mean, the thought of this is, it’s, it’s so criminal.

 

Dr Iredia Egypt 37:30

it is, it really is it’s very, it’s very twisted, and like you like alluded to, like, if it was something that inherent in itself, it has so much healing power, and you would be you wouldn’t get any virus. You would, you wouldn’t need someone to convincing you and I made so much money in marketing, like I know, over here in the United States, it was like when they first rolled it out, it was like, oh, come on, have your free doughnut. And if you get the job and come and have days if you know, get down and get free concert tickets and stuff like that, and I was like, since when in medicine, are we bribing people to get medication? Like we don’t do that you don’t encourage people because you know, there’s a lot of money in development and manufacturing and advertising and distribution like, and then the money for free bagels on top of it. It’s ridiculous. I was like, they really want to get this you know, and it’s just, it’s so…it is funny because in some of those free things, I would see like, you know, free doughnuts and it was always like the unhealthy food as well.

 

Manon Bolliger 38:44

Of course, not

 

Dr Iredia Egypt 38:44

Not offering people free salads and smoothies

 

Manon Bolliger 38:50

Or your extra dose of vitamin D and Zinc.

 

Dr Iredia Egypt 38:53

Or your supplement kit that would come with it or something. Yeah, we live in such I don’t know like how I was like, sometimes I have to create a positivity silos and try to you know, surround myself with people who are a very like positive mindset or an awakened mindset because it’s positivity. It’s not always like, ha-ha, listen, to me, it’s just about truth. When you walk it in truth, that’s the positive experience knowing the truth. Sometimes the truth isn’t always happy dappy, but at least it’s the truth and the truth will set you free once you walk in that path and you know it. So, I’ve just found that we live in a very crazy world, but at the same time, we can each individually collectively within our communities make silos of peace and serenity and healing still.

 

Manon Bolliger 39:49

I think I’m just gonna leave our interview with those final words. So, thank you very much for being a guest and I really enjoyed our discussion. I hope that people will benefit from this discussion.

 

Dr Iredia Egypt 40:05

Thank you so much for having me on. I really enjoyed our conversation too. Thank you.

 

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