How Fear Impacts us with Dr Matt Lyon on The Healers Café with Dr. Manon Bolliger, ND

that talk about T-cell, up-regulation various components of immune function that are benefited from their loads and loads and loads of studies on movement and immune function, nutrition and immune function. I mean, it’s all out there. So when it becomes” sh that’s misinformation”, I have a real problem with that.I also have a deep respect for the epidemiological community and the various allopathic medical communities that are really doing their best on the front lines, as it were to mitigate death, insensitive, populate, sensitive people.

Dr Manon (20:48):

Well, and it’s not like it’s us and them because many of them are also having issues now there’s I heard that in the States too, there’s I think it was three hospitals that actually did studies on the impact of vitamin C and and one drug. I’m not going to mention it because it’s so to tabooed every time it appears on the media it disappears. And I think that’s a political thing, but those studies that are there available you, but you have to search them. They’re never discussed by the media other than politically.

Dr Matt (21:32):

. The vitamin C stuff you’re referencing was really defiled by the media as, you know, bunk science, not real, not through. And one of my colleagues a medical doctor here in the States was doing high dose vitamin a vitamin D vitamin C there’s one other thing that was in that little cocktail and had all the research to support it. And the American medical association in his local medical board, really shut it down. He had one of the, I think one of the largest holistic medical clinics in United States. So it’s really deeply troubling that somewhere in the psyche, the collective psyche, well, it’s not really that big of a surprise. You know, people are really fearful. They’re really scared. And there is this belief that There is a virus and it is structured like COVID-19 COVID-19 means that it started in 19 Corona virus disease, 19 that’s would COVID stands for .

Dr Matt (22:48):

We all know there will be a COVID 20, there will be a Covid 21. There will be a COVID 22, right. COVID has been around just different forms. And we, as human beings have been co-evolving with viruses back, there was a great much of our immune system, much of our immune system comes from our relationships to virus and bacteria. In fact, a portion of our DNA is in fact viruses. So this idea that we’re sort of the separate entities and those viruses are out there. I mean, we are living and breathing and coexisting in a whole macro and micro biome, where in the evolutionary potential of the human is actually turned on by these challenges that come in. No, look, I get it. You know, like we have known that public health procedures mitigate death and pandemics, like we know this for sure. Get it. And a healthier society can be much more resilient with said viruses. Here’s an interesting statistic. At least this was a couple of weeks ago. States has a fairly small percent of the world’s population. And yet statistically, we had higher cases and higher deaths than anywhere else in the world.

Dr Matt (24:28):

So that’s there’s fact, let me share an opinion. We we also, in this particular country spend more than any other country in the world on health intervention. And yet we have some of the worst public health outcomes with some of the worst health. We spend more, but we have like the worst health of industrialized countries to be fair. We have a country where 50 to 60, 50, 50% of people are obese 60%. You know, what is it that 65% of people are overweight. We have about 40 to 50% of people who are obese. We have a diabetes type, two diabetes epidemic in our children.

Speaker 4 (25:07):

and so when it’s, when you See the fact that we are super, super, super, super impacted by this disease, more than anybody else, I think we also have to look at other health trends and have a conversation about immune function and diet and sunlight and oxygen. Hello, breathing into a mask and research violating carbon dioxide has been shown to make people tired. It’s been shown to show down function. You’re, you’re totally disregulating the whole Kreb cycle and how we produce ATP. So I’ll stop there. But yeah, I’m very passionate about it because it has to be a wider conversation ‘” misinformation, stop talking misinformation.’ That’s not cool. And when it comes from technocrats, I E the major financial drivers of the technological world, Google, Facebook, YouTube having absolute shut down now. Sure. There’s crazy people out there saying crazy things. Absolutely crazy, but there are smart, intelligent science driven, compassionate people with good data and good information to empower people about their health. Lock people in their houses and then scare the bejesus out of them to do anything when people don’t move their immune system drops.

Dr Manon (26:26):

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you’ve raised so many points. I’m trying to keep up with all the pieces, but to the one point about our evolving biology, the environment, I mean, Zach Bush, I don’t know if you’ve heard about his work, but it’s so far. I don’t think all of it is censored yet.

Dr Matt (26:50):

Really, he was a physician, right?

Dr Manon (26:52):

Yeah. He’s a physician and environmentalist and he also talks about permaculture. Exactly. And it’s the same idea of the environment in our gut, you know, as the environment in our ecology. So really stretching our way of looking at our relationship to nature rather than just thinking, Oh, we’re gonna, we’re gonna have to fight nature. We’re gonna beat nature. We’re going to bring it down. It’s more that we’re actually evolving through it. And, that’s where, when you mentioned the resilience and looking at what are we putting in our bodies, how are we treating our emotions and our minds? And, then looking at the economic infrastructures, like if there’s, I had an interview on Tuesday with a fellow and he was using the term food deserts, which is really a phenomena that is quite prevalent. It would appear in in the States where people don’t have certain communities. And he was talking specifically about, about the black community, but also Latin America and the community where they don’t necessarily have vegetables or foods that they have access to. They have access only to these fast food outlets and the, I forgot what he’s called them like their stores, where you can buy, but it’s mostly just, processed food.

Dr Matt (28:25):

When we lived in rural New Mexico we were on a gorgeous ranch. Most of the surrounding community lives in deep poverty, and there’s a mix of Latino and Hispanic in Mexico. I was told that they prefer the term Hispanic because deep Spanish ancestry. And these are generally poor communities. They are disproportionately affected. And every time we would go to the grocery store, I was like, Holy smokes. It was like a big light bulb for me because I’ve, you know, I lived in a affluent city, Charlotte, North Carolina, and I live in Boulder, Colorado, you know, organic farm to table food is super close. The vast majority of people in the United States either don’t have access to that, or don’t have economic access to that. And so we look at communities that are disproportionately affected, whereas a major conversation about how many dollars you have to buy foods that are healthy. And when it’s Kraft macaroni and cheese and processed grains and processed meats and Sugar Sugar Sugar huge amounts of obesity, hypertension, high blood pressure, diabetes prediabetes, all of these predisposing conditions where you’ve got loads of cytokines, loads of inflammation, loads of emotional stress in the community because people in survival and all of a sudden now damn, and that’s to say that wealthy people aren’t affected, but it’s, it’s different. It’s very different.

Dr Manon (30:05):

Definitely. And I was gonna say, yeah, another thing too, which is if we put this whole virus in relationship to not just the comorbidities of the people most impacted, okay. But if we put it in, in relationship to other viruses now, apparently last year was lighter, but two years ago, we’re about at the same numbers. We’re not at crazy high numbers at, and yet I there’s, I don’t watch television. I don’t actually have a television, but I do occasionally look at the news. And I remember Fauci was making a comment that that he looks at health and not the impact that it has on other aspects of people’s lives, which means if, people no longer have jobs, if they can’t pay their rent, if they’re losing their homes, you know, the level of depression, the anxiety, the suicide, is sky rocketing

Dr Manon (31:28):

So for one virus that turns out to be pretty well, no worse than two years ago. And I mean, they’re calling cases now because people are thinking cases means death cases are not deaths, right? Cases is more people being tested. And when you look at the research, because everything is all research science-based, and you’re only.allowed to listen to certain people, which to me is, is a kind of a crazy thing because part of science to me is the discussions to see whether the premise is good, whether it’s a much bigger context, but the context and the discussions are being removed entirely and yet in plain sight, the way I’m looking at this and, you know, let me know your thoughts on this, but I’m looking at this hugely exaggerated curve.

Dr Matt (32:36):

the research study that really was 94% bigger numbers than actually was the case. Right. And I forgotten the name of the fellow or the school that did that. Sorry, I’m having a brain fart on this one, but you know, the numbers are nothing like that. Nothing at all like that. But the strategies implemented are as if nothing has changed. And that’s what I find really troubling is that even, even the premise of the need for a vaccine, for example, which I mean, there are, there are vaccines around that are well tested that I’ve taken a long time and still can cause damage. Of course. But in this case, if there were, we’re speeding this up tremendously to save people with a virus that is changing. because we already know that it’s it’s changing. because that’s what viruses do. Look at the flu and the flu vaccine, you know, there’s 50% efficacy apparently and also plenty of science.

Dr Manon (33:49):

we’re going to be spending all or the focused energy and money on saving through a vaccine, which is again, fighting against our own relationship with the environment from an outside hero. That is not yet proven because they’ve actually removed the animal studies maybe because there were so many deaths in the past when they’ve been working on this virus for like 30 years, right. The Corona has been around since forever and all these ferrets have died. Right. I don’t know if you know about this, but I was shocked to find out that these, these these ferrets had had a beautiful antibody reaction, which is what you want. And at that point, a vaccine is normally approved at that level. Right. What happened is when they actually got the exposed to the natural virus, again, they had a cytokine reaction and all of them died. So like this, now we’re speeding up research here. And we’ve said, yes, looks good so far, but we’re not testing the longterm impact. What is going to happen to all these people? And I really worry about, and when we call this science, it’s like science to a tiny point. It’s not truly, so many scientists are actually upset with us. because we’re not, we’re going to be the Guinea pigs of, of this, you know? And that worries me a lot.

Dr Matt (35:35):

Yeah. Gosh, there’s a lot there. Thanks for sharing

Dr Matt (35:38):

All that. It’s just to double click on one thing you just said, I was speaking with my financial advisor today and we were just having a conversation about how currency is being devalued because of this crisis. And this is going to come back to what you were talking about, but the contextually this crisis has hit economies all over the world. Very hard. In fact, globally, this has been more impactful than the great depression, which goes back to what you said earlier with relationship to health impacts. What’s interesting is our response to that. At least the United States and many European countries is we say, Oh, well, let’s just print money. Just print it. You don’t need to make, it is not tied to the gold standard anymore. It’s just sort of a made up concept. So you just print more money.

Dr Matt (36:31):

Well when you print more money, the value of that dollar or pound or yen devalues, and we’re actually lending money at negative rates, especially in Europe, it’s just starting here in the United States, all that to we were talking about devaluing currency and I have a Canadian guy that I love to follow. Who’s who’s various dude talking about silver and gold and these times and so on and so forth. And he said, well, do you want to look at any of the stocks and you’re in health? Do you know, do you have a feeling about any of these, you know, companies with the vaccine stuff like Moderna? And I said, I’m not going to put any money in Moderna. This is crazy. I mean, this is just it’s. So I don’t want to say rig, but when the U S government pays these guys, billions of dollars for a vaccine that hasn’t really fully been tested, I was like, I don’t want, I don’t want any of that on my hands. I can get it over and let’s hope for the best.

Dr Manon (37:32):

No, I haven’t actually.

Dr Matt (37:34):

So there’s a big, there’s a big context here, but I did, I did want to touch on that.

Dr Manon (37:38):

No, it’s a good, it’s a really good point because I like, again, it’s time to look very holistically because the answers cannot be in one domain and that’s where, you know, health and finance and all of that all come together. It’s really important. It’s the, it’s the tensegrity matrix

Dr Matt (38:01):

Psyche. And we are so part…………. Our bodies don’t end with skin ADI is this entire cosmos, you know, one thing I wanted to say and you know, one thing I wanted to say is in the United States, we’ve had an eye, I’d have to double check my numbers, but what about 160,000 deaths? So to be fair, statistically, that’s a pretty high amount of deaths from one thing. And also to be fair, but then I want to come back and give another perspective. You know, my friends who are in medicine, who are physicians or nurses in, on the so-called front lines, they’re like, man, we’ve seen some bad stuff. This stuff can really mess some people up. So clearly there are people who sensitivity and inability to adapt to the virus. It’s scary. And it’s really sad and that’s totally legit.

Dr Matt (38:55):

100% legit. My question though, is it’s so sad to me that the empowerment on this issue has been, Oh, the world will just basically pause until we get a vaccine with an assumption that a vaccine, once you get it, you’re good. And it doesn’t work that way when we, see major diseases instead of, you know, Been controled. I do think, I really do think, you know, I sort of, I diverge a little bit chiropractors as a whole tend to be hardcore. Anti-Vaxxers almost to the point where they can’t be influential in the arena because they have such strong vitriolic opinions. I see the role, you know, having spent a lot of time in the third world and my kids and I spent a lot of time in the third world, I have seen how vaccines have helped communities, but I also know that they come at a cost when we have a big portion of the population that’s already pre flamed, which is to say their gut is already pre flamed.

Dr Matt (40:02):

And now we inject more noxious irritants in there. Yes. Are they safe for a lot of people? Sure. I think based on, based on their health metrics, but there are a large portion of people there’s so pre flamed sticks and stuff in, and it causes a lot of problems. If you have a big group of provocateurs who are autism deniers, and you can’t argue with the statistics when one in 100 kids in the United States gets autism and you look at the number of vaccines, you got to go and then the American diet and all of this stuff factors in. So when we talk about the vaccine conversation, that one of the biggest heartaches I have in this whole process of COVID-19 is that billions of people are hanging their hats. Hanging their hope on a vaccine, funny story, but it’s just hanging on that instead of literally empowering themselves to look after their own internal ecology.

Dr Matt (41:01):

I mean that’s what gets me too. I don’t see it as exclusive black or white, no vaccine only natural conversation, but here’s a crazy fact right yesterday because I really followed precious metals. And when I start to see such a breakdown of, of currency and society and culture, I’m kind of like, I think, you know, gold looking like a pretty good option or Bitcoin, right? And so who Vladimir Putin with all due respect, mr. Putin, you rushing a vaccine through. It was amazing. So the goal gold price dropped dramatically yesterday, honestly, because Putin claimed he had a vaccine. So people rushed out a goal to go buy stocks and put their money in all these stocks because, Oh my God, we’ve got a vaccine and the world’s going to be okay, that’s the level of consciousness that we’re at right now. That’s the it’s had not only on one of the more disingenuous and known dishonest dictators in the world to say, he’s given a vaccine, but I’ve given it to my daughter. It must be okay. It’s nuts. It’s totally nuts.

Dr Matt (42:17):

So much the smoke screen. That’s artificial trying to boost confidence without real substance and then boost economic data without real substance. So you see we’re on a house of cards in many, many ways. So when we come back to the most important thing, you know, as my old Zen teacher said that the most important thing is the most important thing. The most important thing is people and communities and that people can feel resilient and feel connected and feel empowered and have joy and have relationships. That’s what I’m concerned is eroding through this. And I also want practitioners, whether it’s me or other people to read deeply and to find that tenacity and fortitude within, to show up for patients who really, really need your touch. You know, you have no idea how one reconfiguration of the fascia can set what you have an idea and all your students have an idea, but it’s set into motion, incredible activity in that body that could save their life.

Dr Matt (43:19):

And I don’t care if people tell me that’s misinformation, it’s not, you alter the structure of the human body. You upregulate the genes that are associated with secretory, IGA, and other immune modulators. You decrease inflammation. You give people hope in their breathing deeper. Now their lungs are better. So maybe they get the COVID virus, but now it doesn’t progress. That’s the bigness of what we do. And I don’t want people to get scared by all of these thought police out there that aren’t actually thinking in truth at all. So, you know, if I get a, if I get shut down, although I don’t, I don’t know how that would be possible given, given the work that I do and that I follow the regulations out of respect for the system, but patients need to know that health is mine, body emotion, spirit, soul, mind, body, spirit, emotional soul. It doesn’t exclude vaccines. It doesn’t exclude, I think medicine. Yeah, the rest of it, but it transcends scientism and scientism is a religious fanatical thought system. That is in fact not based in rational thought [inaudible] Oh, well, I think you’ve summed it up.

Dr Manon (44:32):

I’m just going to go ditto, but I’ll do your expression double, double press or whatever. Double click on one point. because I did want to raise because it’s easy to be labeled an anti vaxxer. If you say anything about vaccines and I wanted to raise this issue because I think a lot of people don’t realize this and again, I’m not voting one way or another. That’s not my main thing. And everyone needs to make in my mind a very conscious decision and get information. But when I was doing my master’s in law, I was looking into this pretty seriously. And I saw that one, that hygiene had a huge impact. And we don’t talk about hygiene. I mean, you, you did. And I talks about hygiene. There’s people talking about hygiene, but I think that’s something we need to look at because now that our economy is, is falling apart and there’s more and more poverty, we’re going to have again, hygiene issues, major hygiene issues, which are going to cause all kinds of problems.

Dr Manon (45:45):

The other thing I wanted to raise that that people may not know in 1986, the the pharmaceutical companies no longer needed to do payouts for damages and they had paid out enormous amounts. So, and it’s very hard to prove that a vaccine caused the damage. So you can be sure that the, the billions that were paid out were, it was hard work to, to be able to set that. But now there is no liability, which means that we’re rushing things and there’s no one responsible, but what really got me, I got to share this because it was in marketing class that I got this. And I was like, well, we were looking at at effective campaigns and we’re in a study from Yale university. This is like super recent. You can go to their site. And it’s basically, they’re trying to figure out an effective vaccine campaign.

Dr Manon (46:56):

And they have 12 main ways of that. They’re going to be testing in small groups like you do any market research on how to get people to you know, to, to choose vaccines because now there’s all this production and they need to make sure that the market is ready. So it’s like literally a propaganda campaign that is, is being studied at Yale university. And you can go to their site. It’s it’s in plain sight. But I think where I, I have issues is where, why does it take propaganda to convince people why don’t we have completely open discussions? And I think it’s super important because Forbes had an article……. It says, don’t do your own research by Ethan Seagull. He says, doing your own research is destructive and dangerous. And this isn’t Forbes. And it’s like, wait a minute. Here is the message like, just be docile and follow, like to be able to, you know, to, to be healthy, you need to be able to express. You need to have opinions and you can be wrong. It’s fine to be wrong, but let’s debate it. You know, let’s talk about,….

Dr Matt (48:26):

And that’s the hallmark of when I say liberal, I don’t mean left free democratic society. Those are the foundational principles. And what’s fascinating to me is that so much of the style of control and thought policing is, mimicking the Chinese system, a hardcore dictatorial system that is based in Mao’s post-modern nihilism. And so the challenge is that this thought policing is, it’s so dangerous. It’s so dangerous because it actually takes out dialogue and discourse. All of which can drive the scientific process and the evolutionary process of medicine and by medicine, I mean every facet of it from, Bowen therapy or the work I do to yeah. You know, neurosurgery the whole, the whole kit and caboodle. It’s so scary to me and the loss, the usurping of Liberty based on fear that when you really follow the money has clear benefactors. And we didn’t even talk about that.

Dr Matt (49:46):

That’s frustrating to me. And also that exclude such a giant base of helpful information. Yeah. All in the spirit that feels very like big brother. I don’t like that. What I find interesting in the United States. And let me tell you that I was raised in a home that was very liberal and very democratic. You know, my mother supported the Southern poverty law centre. Both my parents grew up in the South during segregation, the South United States during segregation. And we had, we grew up with amazing values of inclusivity and equality. I have watched the liberal left in the United States become just as insane as the far conservative, right. And like creating, Biden and one of his onstage……. He said, we choose now, I know Biden’s got some cognitive decline challenges. So I think there’s some medical issues there, but he said,We choose facts over truth. And I thought, you know, isn’t that it, you know, we make up these facts, but we’re not really living in truth.I mentioned economy and I mentioned politics and we mentioned socioeconomics, but health is the optimal state of wellbeing of mind, body emotion and spirit. And it is also a sociological phenomenon. We are bios. So it’s, bio-psycho-social eons that are correlating. And co-evolving amongst this whole matrix, this tensegrity matrix of the thought field,

Dr Manon (51:31):

You know, what’s so funny because that’s the definition that the world health organization, as of health, yeah. You look up the original, you know, definition. That’s what they say. It’s not what’s happening now because of the financing and all that, but it is actually what they once said. It’s interesting.

Dr Matt (51:52):

I think the opportunity, in this is that all that aside I want to choose my words carefully here. Those of us in the health field can be quiet, but powerful voices in the community that can work on that one to one or one to many level for people who are influencers and really help shift people’s minds while simultaneously people are valuing health by and large, I think way more than ever, because we truly see that our health is literally our wealth. You know, we was just to say that, and you know, my intro lectures while your health is your wealth, and if you don’t have your wealth and people are like, Oh yeah, okay, I get it. I get it now. Like, Oh my God, I totally get it. Like, you know, we have mass unemployment, mass economic impact.

Dr Matt (52:46):

And so the opportunity is to be these torch bearers ………………. it doesn’t take a bunch of torches to light up the darkness. You know, it takes a few courageous souls who will carry the torches and other courageous souls who will take the torch and just pass it on in this case, that’s the light of knowledge. It’s the empowering knowledge that health comes from the inside out. So inside out BJ Palmer said above down, inside out, meaning, you know, we’re, we’re spiritual, energetic beings who then produce health from the inside out, doesn’t exclude allopathic in event, but it says the core basis, the philosophy of health is that we are in, this comes straight out of Grey’s anatomy that the central nervous system is the master controller of the entire body. We know fascia is a part of the central nervous system, therefore, any blocks or breaks in that central nervous system through stressors, physical, mental, emotional nutritional biochemical will block the ability to self regulate and to self heal.

Dr Matt (53:53):

So it just as simple Aristotle logic that it makes sense to work with the body to build it up from within so that it can self regulate, self heal, and co-evolve in the best way. We’re all better for that. We’re all better for that. And I think that’s the opportunity now is to really get super passionate, becomes masterful at our craft. And if people have more downtime, now it’s such an amazing time to learn and to study and to build your skills, to take your teachings online. And yeah, so I just think it’s a great time. And I know that, you know, one of the Buddha’s great teachings was impermanence. So in actual fact, this is going to pass, you know, as my grandmother always used to say this too shall pass, so it’s going to pass, it’s going to transform. And then this is going to be an even better marketplace for your students and for me and for you to enter into.

Dr Matt (54:52):

So I think, you know, it’s scary times and it’s frustrating times, but I think this is also such an evolutionary tension. And so tension that, that sort of friction intention and in a chaos physics is usually what would then burst forth a higher order of organization, which previously was not available. That’s the quantum jump. That’s a quantum leap. That’s a quantum jump that’s Hey, we’re fish. And we’re swimming in this ocean. And all of a sudden, a few of us are like, wait a minute. This, this water is polluted. I think we need to fly like the birds I’ve seen, you know, in their first few go on shore and they sort of flop and they don’t make it, but after a while something kicks in and we saw that birds actually became fish from an evolutionary context. And I think that’s where we’re at now. So I think this is the evolutionary possibility of really birthing wings and really creating a whole new humanity. But I think we’re at the brink of massive breakdown. If enough people don’t stand up for sanity.

Dr Manon (55:56):

i agree with everything you’ve said, and I do feel positive about this because I do feel it is an opportunity for good to emerge. And I I love that you’re encouraging the healers, the practitioners to do their work because this is a time where the healers are the front line of this evolution.so many people need deep healing. And this is, the time that we can really serve at the highest level possible. So I just wanted to just say that and, and not to be afraid of numbers, use your voice. It’s one little voice, but if everyone has one little voice you know, there’s a symphony, so

Dr Matt (56:56):

Cool.

Dr Manon (56:57):

Anyway, well, thank you so much. It’s been a pleasure we’ll have to do this again in like five months and see where there were holes. Right. Exactly. Okay. Well, thank you so much.

 

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